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Help 1973 D LMC..found Silverish Chunks In Penny. Error, Diebreak, W/ Is It?

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I Found this odd coin penny roll hunting, dumping the roll out my eye immediately caught a silver shine on a certain coin. It appears to have another metal stuck in the rim on two sides, a large chunk and a small one. I've researched but can't find a good photo that explains what happened to this coin and what it's called, any help is appreciated.

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My best guess is that it was once/intended to be a solder joint for jewelry or some such.

The silverish metal is the leftover solder and the process melted some of the copper.

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Soldered in jewelry.
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jewelry piece gone really wrong
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With the edge disturbance, I have to agree with PSD. If it were totally round that would be the first thing I look for on an error that is struck in the collar. With the other parts of the edge/rim there, that tells me it was altered. Even something big would probably not alter the outer edge of the coin if the collar was in place and not broken:
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A piece of die was struck into this coin. They found the second piece.
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Jewelry attempt gone wrong.
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Looks like a spot welder test piece.
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Thanks for the input :). I would also like to believe it was some sort of jewelry attemt or welding test. looking and looking, copper melts at around 1900 degrees. Solder melts around 600, thus allowing soldering of copper pipes without distorting the copper. The copper in the penny around the object has been displaced and distorted obviously. The more I look closely it seems the cent and foreighn matter have been "squeezed together, not melted. Also why would anyone attach a necklace or charm at that point on the cent, doesn't make sense. And why two attachment points at random places? I can see soldering a loop on somehow, but why would that damage the coin? The smaller particle has a very distinct vertical round edge, like a round ball or machined object. The larger one similar but not exactly round. The larger thing is thick compared to the small one and allmost goes down to the bottom of edge, the smaller sits slightly low but mostly on top. Also noticed a weekening of devices on the reverse side near the large anomoly, that looks allmost like a clip, would heat cause that?. Also hearing something called slag intrusion? Of course with every coin we want them to be mint made errors. Simply trying to rule things out. Both object apear to have been sheared off also at an upward angle near the rim. The fragments do not seem to be magnetic. also looking at pictures of soldering it looks like "MELTED" metal. Under the microscope the top of the large object has very distinct horizantal lines, these lines continue without interuption into the copper area. They also transfer very smoothly into the copper going into the interior, rq rather than bubbling over or meting into. Also noticed voids in between the coin and foreign matter, Isn't welding supposed to exactly do that, fill voids? Also I noticed copper shavings attached near the small object on the rim, small gauges near that on the rim could have made these I think? Also I saw domething called gas bubbles that maybe could look "melted" I also saw alot of elictrical experiments with pennies witch could explain the strange places of possible attatchment of something. Is there any way to tell what kind of metal the foreign matter is? Also the coin is overweight at 3.19 witch doesn't say anything lol.

Here are the only two images witch might explain a natural error not PSD damage I could find that are similar.

Still intrigued/unsure about this coin, any more opinions are appreciated, although Coop is probably right.

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I will try to get clearer and closer pics if I can later.
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It doesn't sound like you are convinced it isn't an error yet, so think about this. How would that happen at the mint? The coin has to be the shape of the dies that made it, so the dies would have had to have had that indentation in them when they struck the coin. The collar holds the coin in place when the dies strike it, making sure it stays the evenly round shape we see. In order for a coin to be out of round, it would have had to be struck outside of the collar, which would affect more than a small spot or two on the coin.
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The weight is not that far off , You would be surprised what people do to coins.
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THX! No sorry I'm still confused lol. I do say what you are saying about the rim being round, not appearing to be a broken color issue. there is a small missalighnment though causing minor reeding on one side. The thickness of the coin is vary strange, it has three skinny spots and three normal or thick points, very thin were the largest fragment is. The edges that appear to go out of circle in the foreign metal are sharp and raised like that of a MAD coin with finning, below that the edge seems to be round besides some very small voids around the fragments, witch I am thinking were caused by the foreighn matter, if that is even possible. I think this is what you are saying about the edge disturbance/round edge? A friend I asked just said it's a Struck Through Retained Fragment error with MAD.....would that make sense? The distorted edge on the reverse side opposite of the large object is also the same shape, the letters at that point seem to show through somehow? A,lso going into the field from the large object it seems to be thicker than mormal, all the way to lincols head. And yes the wieght, I have been weighing allot of LMC"S, looking for a 82DSD-copper, 1983/1984 copper :). I realize why weight doesn't matter much but can matter allot, thick n thin pennies and bad alloys etc. Plus foreighn matter--- What indentation are you speeking of cwb? If you could mix the two referance pictures I posted above, that is what I'm Seeing. Still seeing the chance it is an error coin. I dunno lol. I know What I'm asking is kinda confuseing when I'm just a newbie, but I'm trying to learn all the points that make it an error, before catching up and learning what does not. thx again
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Struck Through Retained Fragment error with MAD

Does this friend sell coins on e-bay?


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What indentation are you speeking of cwb?

An indent on the die will create a raised area on the coin.

I think you may be over thinking this a bit.
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I don't know if they sell online. This was from the discription I gave....

Yes yes, I may be over-thinking this!! But according to the general public we are all nuts lol...hence all the reactions I get asking for pennies whenever I have the chance lol.
Here is another comparison I just found,
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copper is the foreighn metal on this coin, allowing it to take on the desighn somewhat, and not displace the other metal. I've been reading if the foreighn metal is harder than the coin the opposite will happen....the coin will conform to the object and not take on the design, also distort the opposite side in the same shape..... Indeed, I am overthinking this!!



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dtl These "very knowledgeable" people have pretty much told you what this is, PMD ,I don't know what you hope to gain by continuing to fish for the answer you want.
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Looks like it was put in one of those old fuse box's to make the connection and it arched off. One thing is certain it did not come from the mint this way. It is what it is Post Strike Damage PSD
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