1859 Dp 9 # 4 ..cent ,..but A Later Stage Example ..

If you look at the pop reports, the DP4 in mint state isn't as hard as the DP5, 9/6, or TP1. There are at least two DP4 examples in 64red, a few in mint state brown. Mine is 63Brown.

CV - did you try crossing your TP1 at PCGS? If it crosses, it will be tied for highest in a PCGS holder.

Hello CV:

Regarding your list of toughest DP 9's to collect ... any thoughts on the availability of TP #2 (i.e., pg 293 of Charlton 2011)?

I don't see that as often as TP #1.

bosox...for TP9 I have a lovely ICG AU58 details polished, NGC AU55, ICG AU50 details (cleaned), PCGS EF45 and about a dozen in EF40 or less.

the NGC AU55 didn't cross at PCGS, but it's there again for another try for their Feb.2017 crossover special...if it doesn't cross, my best PCGS TP9-1 will remain an EF45

for the TP9-2...my experience is that I have about 15 TP9-1s and 0 TP9-2s. It has eluded me. I did pass on 1 or 2 examples a few years back because it wasn't a TP9-1, but I've simply not seen them out there...I think the large cent guys picked the market clean for that one

For the DP9-4, I have seen a mis-attributed PCGS MS64 and others, then there are all those examples with the collapsed 9...so a true DP9-4 in early die state is, in my experience far scarcer than it would seem and is scarcer in my experience, than the TP9-1. Again as an example, I have 6 TP9-1 in EF40+ and only 3 DP9-4 in EF40+.

Other interesting observations include:

DP9-5: I have a bunch in AU and two in MS now. I'm trying to cross both MS60 coins to PCGS (both are CCCS, one is scratched). These have trickled onto the market at a steady pace and are now a bit more common than once thought..

DP9-3: I have many in AU but none in MS. Saw a ICCS MS64 on ebay and I think it fetched $10 or $12,000.

DP9-2: not as common as people think. I have 4 in MS but very undervalued price-wise in MS.

DP9-1: plentiful in AU, very elusive in MS...seems like no one wants to pay anything above 30% trends in AU but MS is very difficult to find...

9/6: haven't seen any high grade examples EF+ in ages...I got lucky and now have PCGS EF40, EF45 and AU50 that I won a few years back at about $500 a piece but nothing to cherrypick in high grade in years...
the PCGS AU58 sold on heritage for $11,000 and I think an NGC MS62 sold recently for $6000...I didn't go for either, and my best remains a PCGS AU50.

I sent everything decent to PCGS again for their crossover special, so I'll see just how many of those elusive DP9s will find themselves in PCGS holders...

Thanks very much for that info CV,

I'm surprised that is has eluded you altogether, given the completeness of your DP 9 collections, however, not at all surprised that it is found in lower frequency than TP 1. I have found only one TP 2 out there, in mint state at an auction, and although I hate spending that kind of money, I felt I needed to take a chance on the opportunity to own at least one piece, so I paid up for it. Now I'm feeling OK about it.

thanks also for weighing in Rob,
I totally agree TP 2 has less collector appeal than TP1, due to poor visibility in lower grades. It is a more subtle repunch for sure. Yet how many found examples exist, relative to TP 1 in total? The Charlton 2001 "Multiplier" used for those two seems off, where TP 1 was awarded a value equivalent to the two "holy grail" Vicky varieties, 1881 SSN and 1882 C2/C1 HPD. Should the relative N9 TP scarcities be ranked opposite one another?

I'm just stirring the pot a little with this last notion, based only on my lower "self-sampling" numbers and what I'm reading here this AM. The Charlton 2001 Variety group presumably showed numbers to support the existing ranking, while other collectors just can't find them out there.

Maybe if we shine a light on TP #2 as much as 1881 SSN, we'll have a better idea of current found #s, and the same goes for DP 9/6 as well as 1882 C2/C1 HPD. If those polls already exist in previous postings, I admit that I only dug back to last November since re-joining.

Cheers,
Ray

Good to know. I was interpreting p293 as TP #2, and just assumed it was sampled comparably.

That must have been a mother of a project to complete.

Part of the fun is still having holes in the collection with something left to find.

OK, thanks for the clarification Okie,

and sorry to all if my tangent got too far away from the original intent of this thread.

it would have been nice if Charlton used more high definition photos for their books.,,beautiful coin Rob!!

Yes very nice coin bosox like mentioned very hard coin to find in high grade I have 3 but my best is VF it shows the inner upper 9 still but the one I have in Fine doesn't show anymore to much wear.