1859 Dp 9 # 4 ..cent ,..but A Later Stage Example ..

Nice find DEVLEC hard coin to find especially in the higher grades but like you mention the 5 is the key as well as leaf 7

DEVLEC I have two just like yours! On the Haxby site Jim states that the die must of collapsed right under the 9. Very interesting coins!

Coin #1





Coin #2

Thanks for the added great examples of Viper's and his expert photos.

Now if you look at the Viper examples, ..take note of the brighter colour to the left of the 1 and again to the right of the 9. That is where the die was showing collapse and the cent is actually raised in those 2 locations.


By playing with the cent in the light, you can see the thickness change at those 2 locations,... but when you look at the obverse, all shows normal and flat..


I wonder how long it took for the die collapse/failure to take place..because we don't see many DP 9 # 4's..


Nice study tools to better understand how die collapse shows on an older Vicky cent...

..and one more fun fact about the DP 9 #4.. ICCS used to call them DP 9 # 1 back in the 80's and 90's..
I was chasing this one in an auction way back in the early 80's....

Yes Okie,..but it's not a #5..

Playing with the light shows the 5 and 9 with different views of the repunch..

We could study all of these and see the progression in the cracks to see which followed which in the striking here..

In the early years as you know, no one had placed #'s on the other "variations" in the 9. When that eventually got sorted out that # 1 became the # 4 of today..

That cent and die were certainly showing their age..and not from contacts but from Die Deterioration and the surface of the die being more disturbed..and then reflecting that in the last cents that came off of it..
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I've added 2 more pics with sharper views and added contrast..

Follow the rim around on the reverse and view the raised edge..better pics show the sharp edge full circle....












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Devlec: As you may or may not know, the small group of us that did the 2011 Charlton LC variety section had a big hand in "naming" the Charlton #s for 1859's.... and they stuck. #1 was already basically a L/R and #2 was a R/L. We took the next 2 directions and affixed the L/H as #3 and a H/L as #4. Since the #5 really had no overpunch direction, we gave it it's own #. Brad Gravestone had alot to do with ID'ing the most visible examples of 1859 overpunch varieties ... and our intent for the 2011 Charlton was to show the TYPE of varieties that could be seen for every date and we used Brad's input greatly for the 1859 stuff. It was never intended to be all the varieties that were out there and we only had 80 pages to do it. After we wrote the Charlton section, we got Shawn Isaacs to include both the #5 and the 9/6 that was missing for the first year or so of Trends after Charton put out the 65th edition variety guide.

The old listing in Charlton had the (now) #1 always listed as a re-engraved 9 and the 9/8 as the "wide" 9.

Thanks again Viper, Okie and Papeldog.

These late stage #4's don't have quite the same punch as the early stages...but the above pics do give us a good view of the failure progressing in that die.

All very nice examples here..and many thanks to Viper with his great photos again..so pleasing to view..

" in my opinion the #4,#5,9/6 and the TP#1 are way under valued they are not common you don't come across them as often as the others"

One of the biggest challenges in Canadian Numismatics IMO, is assembling a set of DP9-1 to DP9-5, 9/6 and TP9-1 in AU. An MS set is not possible as TP9-1 doesn't exist in MS.

And try to do it in PCGS or NGC (no cleaned or scratched coins).

I've only been able to assemble a single set in AU+ in 6 years:

DP9-1 PCGS AU53
DP9-2 PCGS MS64 Belzberg
DP9-3 PCGS AU53
DP9-4 NGC MS63 (at PCGS for cross-over)
DP9-5 ICCS MS60 (at PCGS for cross-over)
9/6 PCGS AU50
TP9-1 NGC AU55

Heck, even an EF set will probably take years to put together.