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1964 Kennedy Accent Hair Question.

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 Posted 04/01/2008  7:27 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add closelook to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I'm not sure if this has accented hair, It's still in its original sleeve. Is the I in liberty a good way of telling, this one has a what Ive heard called a club I, missing a point at the bottom. any help would be appreciated.

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 Posted 04/01/2008  9:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add InfiniteInterest to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I cannot tell from the pics (the shadow obscures it in both pics) if the I has a missing serif, but that is the diagnostic for the accented hair half. Try this site, they should have a pic of one. To me the extra detail in the hair looks very roughly cut,right above the ear area, pretty easy to see once you confirm it.

http://www.kennedyhalfdollar.com
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 Posted 04/01/2008  9:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add foundinrolls to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi,

It's the lower left serif that is basically missing on the I. The coin you show, seems to have the serif missing on the upper right. That would not be the accented hair variety. I lightened the picture of the I that you provided.

Thanks,
Bill
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Thank you for bringing up this subject. I always wondered about this variety. Does it have to be a proof? The 2008 RedBook says the variety is "included in number to the left". Well the number to the left is the regular mintage, not the proof mintage. Found a nice link with pics:

http://www.ipotad.com/pages/ah2.html
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the pic of the I is upside down, you can just see the rim at the bottom of the pic. its hard to get the sleeve under the microscope and keep the glare down. this pic is better.

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thanks for the link deadmunny. it is the accent variety
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Also, the two pics on Wikipedia show it. Good pics huh?
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Why do serifs matter? Aren't the lines in the hair enough to tell the difference? I don't know the Kennedy half dollars all that well, but I thought the difference was obvious in the area above the ear. Help?
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The hair can be tough to decipher for a beginner or novice. The serif is very easy. So easy, I can honestly say that if I was looking through hundreds of these, I'd be looking at the I, not the hair.
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I had two proof sets side by side and I could not tell by the hair, the I in liberty is very easy to see.
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I can tell by the hair, but the serif is easier to identify quickly until you find one (I thought anyway..). Like most errors/varieties, once you see it...ohhhhhh...the light comes on ! Sorry I was not more specific in my first post as to the left bottom serif being the culprit, I should have been more clear.
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This one with the I in the proper orientation proves it to be the Accented Hair variety.

Also, every known piece has the serif on the lower left of the I missing that is much easier to spot than the hairlines.

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quote:
Also, every known piece has the serif on the lower left of the I missing that is much easier to spot than the hairlines.

But does EVERY non-accented hair proof half have a complete I? Is it possible to have a regular proof half that also has an I with the missing serif? I know the serifs can be removed through polishing of the die.
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Hi Conder,

Good question....It's not just that the serif is missing. It is that the I with the missing serif is identical as a whole on every 1964 Accented hair Kennedy proof. There has not yet turned up a specimen of an Unaccented Hair coin that has the serif of the I missing exactly the same way. Exactly in these types of things means to the exact same measurable degree with no variation at all. So the I on these is an excellent diagnostic tool.

I hope that helps,

Bill
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