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1909 S VDB, Thinking About Upgrading.

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I was here 2 weeks ago. I have the same question as before. I am going to upgrade.
Please share opinions about authenticity. And Grade. I think this is XF. I am considering getting this.
Thanks, Jim

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I'm skeptical on that one. Seems the MM is not one of the 4 varieties as it is too far to the right and slightly slanted. And on the reverse every detail is in nice condition except the VDB - HMMMM!

Here's some info on the 4 MM locations:

https://www.PCGS.com/News/Counterfe...incoln-Cents
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I see die wear. Did any of the dies even reach that stage with only 400000?
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I see die wear. Did any of the dies even reach that stage with only 400000?


Especially with 4 dies used - that would only be 100,000 coins per die pair. Is that alot for 95% copper, 5% tin & zinc. Seems like a softer metal not producing much wear - maybe?
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Look closely at the mint mark. You can see a four pointed ridge of metal that appears to be pulled toward the MM.

Good eyes and a steady hand might pull an S from the field.
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Look closely at the mint mark. You can see a four pointed ridge of metal that appears to be pulled toward the MM.

Good observation. Plus don't the "S" mintmarks have a small dollop of metal in the upper portion of the "S"?



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You were here 9 days ago, but you left us hanging on whether you bought that other coin.
http://goccf.com/t/280519

My FREE opinion on this coin: Do not get this coin if you want a genuine 1909-S VDB.

Here are my concerns:
1) The VDB does not exhibit the characteristics of the VDB on genuine coins. Particularly, the period after the D is too close to the D. Also, the shape of all three letters is different.
1909-S-VDB,-Thinking-About-Upgrading.
2) The mint mark does not match any of the 4 genuine positions. Particularly, The only genuine position with the mint mark that low and to the right is not slanted.
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My FREE opinion on this coin: Do not get this coin if you want a genuine 1909-S VDB.


Very good!
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Raw coins in this state most likely would be slabbed. This looks like a plain 09VDB with a pasted/melded on S. Maybe someone can identify what year coin that S came from, above my pay grade! Doesn't seem right, said so last time.
I'd walk away, fast, furiously, quickly, hurriedly, scrammo, vamoose,saianara, you get the picture, if this is selling for less than $500, guess what?


The UPPER SERIF is Wrong! FAKE. FAKE!
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Wow..If that is a fake I can see why lots of people get fooled.

But, I do see that the VDB doesn't seem quite right.
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It seems you have no knowledge of the series. Buy a slabbed example instead of searching for a questionable raw coin. They ONLY way anyone should buy one of these raw is if they can authenticate it without assistance.
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Sage advice, BadThand.
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I am not in full agreement with many of the concerns expressed, but I do agree that this particular date should never be purchased raw.
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frog, what do you disagree with?
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To me, the obverse appears to be Die Pair #3. But I do not argue with the VDB concerns.
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