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Bedrock of the Community
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Purchased this today. The coin has an obvious problem. It is weakly struck on the right side both in the obverse and reverse. Looks like an early die state coin looking at the strike in the breast feathers. Many of the early 1857 FECs had issues with the metal where the alloy wasn't mixing properly and the thickness of the planchet wasn't uniform. Some planchets were thin in areas, and some FECs are MS with the date entirely missing because the die could not catch onto any metal to make an impression. I suspect this may be a thin planchet coin, and I will examine it when I have it in hand, but may not be able to see the edge properly in the holder. Ultimately these striking issues caused the end of this coin series after two years and gave way to the beloved indian head design. For its faults, the price was attractive enough to scoop up. Anyhow, as always, your thoughts about grade and its problems as you see them appreciated. TPG grade and price paid in 48 hrs as usual. Thanks!   IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.comEdited by numismatic student
02/25/2017 2:50 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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I see no wear on this coin and I don't think the breast feathers could be brought up any higher. I'd grade it at MS-61 but wouldn't be surprised to see it in an AU-58 holder doubtful it would go any lower since the breast is struck up. I think you'll like this coin once in hand.
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02/25/2017 12:52 pm
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Wondered where that coin of mine went!  Even tho weak, its still VERY nice! |
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FE were often struck weakly in the tail--but this is a little more than most I've seen, even affecting the rim. Too bad you can't weight it, because I wonder if the planchet has a slight taper--or just poor die alignment.  I'm not seeing any wear in the highpoints, I'll say 60-62 from the pics. Edited by Thulium
02/25/2017 3:00 pm
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I was watching this coin. You got the coin for a nice price. I did not bid on the coin because I could not get past the poor strike and the lack of details in the tail feathers.
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02/25/2017 1:11 pm
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Thank you for not bidding.  Could you share what you personally graded the coin at without prematurely revealing the TPG grade? IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Wondered where that coin of mine went! First, I love your username. You gotta have some nosebleed -inducing high self-confidence to have a username like that. Did you own this coin before? Thanks for your comment. IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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I would say MS-60 or 61.
I just had an 1857 come back from NGC as AU-58 that had the slightest lighter copper color to some of the breast feathers. I don't see that on your coin.
Paul Bulgerin
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I cannot see the luster very well, but I see no wear. Low MS.
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MS61, misaligned dies resulting in uneven strike? Not my cup of tea but if you got at a good price then well done.
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I have it at MS60. i'll guess $350 since no one chimed in on price
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Paid $256. CDN wholesale says $260, but extensive auction records all show prices $300 and above. Happy with the price and the coin. Looking forward to having in hand later this week.  IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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