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What Is Die Abrasion And How Does It Differ From Die Deterioration?

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Die Deterioration is a natural process the die goes through while striking coins. It is like a metal part on a motor that wears out after a long usage or life. Dies experience that also. But die abrasion is totally different Die Deterioration. The difference is that the die suffered from an event (die clash, die damage from striking the collar, striking feeder fingers, being dropped or suffer field gouges during handing) So after those events, the die is touched up a bit by polishing. But after a few times this abrasion shows on the coins struck. How? By thinner devices, altered shapes of the devices, missing devices, roof lines missing, neck and initials can be found missing on the coin struck because of these events that needed to be fixed/touched up a bit to continue with the dies life. So how do I recognize this?

Die abrasion happens because the field was so polished off the die that the incuse devices are reduced in height.
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So when this die polishing happens, it removes some/part of the devices height and width on the coins struck by that die.
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Because of this abrasion, sometimes we can see this a bit different when the devices are thinner than the base of the devices:
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On the 1922-D cents, some dies were over polished and a lot of detail was missing. Why would they do that? They were only given so many dies and they had to complete the filled number for that year. So when events happened, the had to be polished in order to continue. A lot of coins that year were weak looking that year because of the polishing.
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Sometimes they over polished the bust and the mid depth devices are altered.
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This was probably done to cover a clash that was very strong.

Other areas also show this type of abrasion when this happens:
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Reverses also affected:
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Obverse date and coat area affected:
Normal coin:
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Sometimes the event that needed to be removed from the die was deeper. Well more field area is removed and the coins struck after that show the end results:
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Proof dies are polished, but for a different reason. To make the fields shiny.
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This removes residue left over from the die preparation process.

So the extra polishing affects the dies life. When something is removed from the die, the original freshness of the die is gone forever on the coins struck after those die events. These do not increase value for the coins struck, but sometimes knowing what causes this is a great teacher on what you are really looking at on your search for varieties.

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Great schooling coop, as usual.
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Great post! Very informative!!
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I'm not getting the pix, problem?
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For some reason the site is giving me problems right now. But they just popped up.
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Thank you coop.
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Thank you coop.
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Thanks coop
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Super educational as always coop ! Thank you .
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Now I know the error I have on one of my US pennies! Lincoln's throat just merges with the field!
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Lots to great, instructive pictures!
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I just came across this post while researching over-polished dies, so, forgive
my late comment!

coop, thank you for this! It explains a lot of varieties that I have.

You are invaluable, sir!
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What a great resource! Thank you coop for continuing to share your knowledge with us.
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Sometimes what I post is basic stuff. But when a question was asked about, I expanded it to a thread for educational purposes. Who knows how many other questions are just basic stuff. So when I put it into a thread, it makes the information easier to find. Remember the coophome= (it brings up subjects fast so you don't have to search previous threads) link for other things you need on the search feature. It will help save time looking for subjects I've made links for in the past. A quick find to answer questions quicker and I won't have to re-type the subject again.
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Great deal of information, I'll be archiving all for future references,

Thank you Coop.
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