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Opinions On Future Of $20 For $20 Series

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 Posted 02/28/2018  10:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JGG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
$100 is the next to go.
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 Posted 03/01/2018  9:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add vonigohcr to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I hope that the motivation for this is simply the removal or reduction of a liability from the government books. I can't imagine, given the bills in question that these are used in daily commerce. I don't believe that ownership will be illegal, just the ability to use them as currency.

I know that most governments would be happier if they could deprecate currency (bills & coins) all together as it makes it much easier to control the money supply, diminish the impact of counterfeits and severely damage the underground economy that tries to avoid taxation. It was that motivation that caused the Indian government to demonetize the 1,000 and 500 rupee bill with a few days notice back in 2016.

It does remain to be seen what the impact of this decision will be on overall values of the higher denomination bills. The $1,000 bill while still currency, will never be worth less than $1,000 so that sets a floor value. Once demonetized, it will only be worth what someone is prepared to pay... Sort of like baseball cards... no intrinsic value. Bringing the conversation back to the original post, if the $20 for $20 were demonetized then they would only be worth $5 or so given the silver content.
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 Posted 03/01/2018  10:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The 20 for 20 are a different can of worms, it's the RCM who guarantees the face value by their marketing, there is really no good reasoning for demonetizing an old bill as you just mentioned about India, how has that help their economy just creates more fear of the next bills to be pulled. The BOC should put more thoughts into Bit coin and Etherum which I believe is created by a consortium of some the US largest banks. Even all the old bird series thousand really doesn't add to any measureable amount to the Canadian economy.
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 Posted 03/02/2018  01:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add vonigohcr to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Re: India, As I understood the argument at the time there was a good deal of currency available in India and many transactions were cash only. Removing the 1,000 and 500 rupee coins forced the larger transactions to either use large numbers of 100 rupee bills or to go through a bank account which allowed the government to track the transactions and if appropriate follow up for their share of taxes (sales, income etc.). For reference, at the time a 1,000 rupee bill was worth $30-$35.

The UK regularly demonetizes old bills but that is to remove counterfeits from the supply.

The Canadian removal of old bills doesn't make that much sense. The bills in question are not in current use, most merchants would probably reject a $1,000 bill even though it is legit so there is little market for counterfeits of these bills. The only rational reason, outside of a make work project for someone is to release the liability. An earlier poster indicated there were over a million $1,000 bills still in circulation. If true, that is a billion dollars. Governments have in the past done goofier things for lower returns. Not sure the math extends to $1, $2, $25 etc.
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 Posted 03/02/2018  05:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JGG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My cousin works for Revenue Canada and he says that the BoC has a mandate to eliminate cash going forward. He said it will generate higher tax revenues. This is a soft rollout measure.
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 Posted 03/03/2018  12:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add canadian_coins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@JGG
It all depends. If we continue on the current path of evolution (software, internet, electronics, digital currency) then cash is out for sure. On the other hand if a zombie apocalypse or an alien invasion were to occur then perhaps this trend could be slowed down a bit.
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 Posted 05/04/2018  10:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Redzapsid to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Anyone continue with the $3 for $20 replacements?
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 Posted 05/05/2018  11:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add canadian_coins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have continued:

2017 $3.00 ¼ oz 9999 Ag - Toronto Maple Leaf 100th
2017 $3.00 ¼ oz 9999 Ag - Vimy Ridge 100th
2017 $3.00 ¼ oz 9999 Ag - Spirit Of Canada
2017 $5.00 ¼ oz 9999 Ag - Proudly Canadian
2017 $3.00 ¼ oz 9999 Ag - Heart Of Our Nation

I ordered the 3-coin subscription for 2018.

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 Posted 05/06/2018  2:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add barriecarson to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

What was the mint's retail price on those?
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@ barriecarson

The retail price for each coin sold through the RCM are 19.95 for each coin.
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 Posted 05/06/2018  11:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add canadian_coins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Actually, the proudly Canadian is $29.95 and Toronto ML is $34.95. A bit on the high side I admit.
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 Posted 05/07/2018  08:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheBurnz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I enjoy the $200 for $200 series. I have duplicate of the towering forest that I picked up for $190. Why would someone sell a $200 coin for $10 less you say.. Well, because VIP RCM members get $10 off. I myself as a non VIP buyer, have gotten some $10 off your next purchase e-mails. It doesn't stop there, if you spend over $100 you get free shipping.
Many people bought these buy the loads with VISA's that give you points for purchases and now are selling them for the cash back, they first were returning to banks until the banks realized something was up and now put up a stink if you try.

That said I'm still looking to finish my $200 for $200 collection. I'm missing the Icey Artic coin, hoping to trade my duplicate towering forest for it.


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 Posted 05/17/2018  9:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add canadian_coins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I just received the first $3 X $20 for this year. The reverse is well executed with similar techniques as per the previous X for X.

But the obverse is absolutely atrocious. It's been heavily grit blasted.

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Compared to a similar $3 minted in 2017.

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 Posted 06/27/2018  8:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add canadian_coins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Latest instalment: $5 X $29.95

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Not my best shot... in the dark:

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 Posted 06/27/2018  8:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silveroid to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The "Caribou" coin designed someone, inspired by Escher pictures, where 3D image flows into the flat 2D, cause the animal's head absolutely looks like bi-dimensional.

the 2017 was great looking coin.

In general, looks like RCM exhausted on the design of these.

'Low entry' $3 coins, or oversized 25 cents or 50 cents still should be among Mint's offerings, though.
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