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numismatic student Bedrock of the Community United States 11898 Posts	Posted 03/10/2017 10:37 pm Thinking about buying this one too. I'm not an indian head specialist, but I am a pretty coin specialist. Thoughts on grade and problems appreciated. Photos are by PCGS TrueView, so less likely to be doctored by the seller. Also, what would you pay? PCGS grade and price in 48 hrs. Thanks! IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com Edited by numismatic student 03/10/2017 10:41 pm Report this Post to the Staff

numismatic student Bedrock of the Community United States 11898 Posts	Posted 03/10/2017 10:58 pm Was able to find pictures of this coin in its slab, and it appears that PCGS TrueView is also guilty of embellishment. Glad I found this picture before ordering and that I didn't rely solely on the PCGS images. Thoughts on which images ring truer? IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com Edited by numismatic student 03/10/2017 10:59 pm Report this Post to the Staff
numismatic student Bedrock of the Community United States 11898 Posts	Posted 03/10/2017 11:06 pm Seller is asking a 147% premium over the PCGS price guide price. IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com Report this Post to the Staff
spru Bedrock of the Community United States 12477 Posts	Posted 03/10/2017 11:58 pm Who took the second pics, the seller? I find toning like that to be very difficult to photograph but surely PCGS is better at it. And I'm assuming you mean a 47% premium over Price Guide? In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020 In Memory of Tootallious 3-31-1964 to 4-15-2020 In Memory of T-BOP 10-12-1949 to 1-19-2024 Report this Post to the Staff
numismatic student Bedrock of the Community United States 11898 Posts	Posted 03/11/2017 12:10 am yes, the seller. no a 147% premium. IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com Report this Post to the Staff
coin197 Pillar of the Community United States 1963 Posts	Posted 03/11/2017 12:41 am Then don't buy it. Report this Post to the Staff
spru Bedrock of the Community United States 12477 Posts	Posted 03/11/2017 12:54 am I don't know the grade but, just so I've got this straight: If PCGS Price Guide says $235 (for MS-65RB), the seller is asking $580? In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020 In Memory of Tootallious 3-31-1964 to 4-15-2020 In Memory of T-BOP 10-12-1949 to 1-19-2024 Edited by spru 03/11/2017 12:56 am Report this Post to the Staff
numismatic student Bedrock of the Community United States 11898 Posts	Posted 03/11/2017 07:46 am Yes, basically asking 2.47x the PCGS price guide. IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com Report this Post to the Staff
SHAFTA9a Bedrock of the Community Canada 10743 Posts	Posted 03/11/2017 08:50 am Not worth it IMO Report this Post to the Staff
batboy Pillar of the Community United States 650 Posts	Posted 03/11/2017 09:13 am I'm seeing a tiny bit of wear on the high points of the wreath leaves on the reverse and maybe on the cheek and hair curl by the ear on the obverse. I would probably call it AU-58. As for the toning or lack of same, I got burned once on a coin with jazzed up color before. The photos looked beautiful, nicely toned, but in hand it looked like an ordinary coin. Many collectors don't put much premium on toned coins, but some collectors love them and at times run up the price. While I appreciate a nicely toned coin, I personally would not spend much above market value unless I saw the coin in hand. Report this Post to the Staff
bandsdean Pillar of the Community United States 2125 Posts	Posted 03/11/2017 11:30 am Proof-64 Would have to see it in hand since those 2 pics vary wildly. Report this Post to the Staff
numismatic student Bedrock of the Community United States 11898 Posts	Posted 03/11/2017 11:48 am The coin was sold at the 2016 Baltimore show for 97% of PCGS guide. Now marked up to 2.5x times that. There may be some room for negotiation. IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com Report this Post to the Staff
Coinfrog Bedrock of the Community United States 94367 Posts	Posted 03/11/2017 4:46 pm Looks like a proof to me, but who can really judge the grade given those two pics. Report this Post to the Staff
Zurie Pillar of the Community United States 5675 Posts	Posted 03/12/2017 01:59 am Looks proof to me also based on the PCGS photos, maybe PR-64? The pictures in the slab look distorted. Report this Post to the Staff
Canadian-Banknotes Pillar of the Community Canada 4944 Posts	Posted 03/12/2017 03:38 am Quote: Was able to find pictures of this coin in its slab, and it appears that PCGS TrueView is also guilty of embellishment. Glad I found this picture before ordering and that I didn't rely solely on the PCGS images. The PCGS TrueView hasn't been doctored. It's what the coin will look like in hand when tilted towards proper lighting. I could see a PR-64 on this one, nice looking IHC. Report this Post to the Staff
Joseph7420 Bedrock of the Community Canada 11922 Posts	Posted 03/12/2017 11:11 pm PR-64. Report this Post to the Staff
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