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Moderator
 United States
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Interesting perspective @paralyse. Thanks for sharing.
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz
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Valued Member
Canada
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thanks paralyse, great post - though I'm not sure any one under thirty has ever admitted to collecting coins. Not sure about the lack of cash transactions hurting the hobby. I mean, does anyone get very excited about modern clads?
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Bedrock of the Community
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The thing that most people miss about younger people that are into coins is that they just collect in different ways than in the past. You don't see them in shops and shows because they can do the majority if not all of their collecting on the internet. At this point more sales take place online then they do in person and drawing conclusions from shows or physical stores misses a massive part of today's market. It's no different than what a lot of retail stores have had to deal with as online sales keep increasing in almost every area. Quote: I mean, does anyone get very excited about modern clads? Yes a lot of people do actually, they just don't talk about it on forums for the most part because of all the flack they get about it. Younger collectors don't view clads as clads, they're just coins to them.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Different area of the country have different situations. by me we have a minimum of 3 coin shows a Month within about 15 miles of me. One of them usually has about 80 to 100 dealers. That one gets so crowded it is difficult to walk through the aisles. Gets me mad when a pile of people stand around a table so I can't see what is there. Of course that is what makes these coin shows so great. Lots of customers. At that show a kid of about 20 or so opened up a stand selling coffee, donuts, etc. He told me he sells over 7+ boxes of donuts almost as soon as the show opens. Seldom see any really young kids there but once in a while some parents do bring kids. My Daughter in law wants me to bring her and my grand daughter to one of these shows. And at this show, and a few others, I sometimes think the world has gone completely slab happy. Some dealers have over half of their coins in slabs. There are always a few bill selling dealers and always bullion sellers but coins are the largest sellers at the shows I go to. As I said, so much depends on where you live. Recently on a TV sort of news program they discussed how in China a really large amount of people have gone to all plastic instead of cash. Not to change the subject but on a recent TV program, the entire program was about the famous 1933 Double Eagle.
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New Member
United States
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Thank you paralyse, good post.
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Valued Member
United States
79 Posts |
Paralyse, thanks for a very informative though sobering read. I certainly wish I had taken up the hobby as a young person.
Just Carl, I think I saw that episode. I think it was NCIS: Los Angeles.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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I think that the dealer's observations were accurate in the context of his business, but it partly reflects his own local market. So another dealer or another person in a different area will find some of those statements to be much less accurate.
I think that all of us would be advised to look at those points as accurate statements of TRENDS in the numismatic business, rather than Absolutes.
Insightful in any case.
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 United States
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Thank you for the report. 
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
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I'm a big advocate for the hobby and collecting, so it is discouraging to see this sort of attitude from shop owners, who I feel should be more actively engaged in trying to bolster the hobby, not in encouraging people to dump all of their coins and stack gold and silver rounds.
Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Been giving this topic some thought tonight. The world is changing before our eyes. I don't believe the hobby is in danger of extinction, but the brick & mortar LCS certainly has had to adapt. Several big factors at play here. One factor is the world monetary system, specifically the Western govt's amassing massive debt and the steady devaluation of currency during the past fifty years or so. Contributing to this was the US coming off the gold standard in '71 and the coinage act of '65 which eliminated silver form the business currency. Over time, this has encouraged the push towards bullion stacking at the expense of numismatic collecting, to some extent. Govt. coins are no longer precious metal, even the penny is no longer copper. Combine this with the explosion of the very media that we are currently enjoying. The internet has seriously cut into all brick & mortar retail business in the past 20 years. The LCS used to be the place to go, not only for the coins, but for numismatic information and camaraderie, so to speak. That has become far less so, to the point that the local LCS, in order to survive had to become more of a pawn style operation and bullion retailer. I'm just glad I'm not a stamp collector! But that's a topic for another discussion thread.
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Rest in Peace
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In my area I have yet to find interest at a younger level. Have to travel for most coins shows within 2 hours, of which is difficult for me to do. The recent contest I ran, I specified the the prizes were to go to a YN, or to try to inspire a new collector. The winners responses proved to be quite satisfying, knowing that some young bucks or buckettes would be benefiting from some coin sets. Maybe there is some hope somewhere, don't find it here or within my own family sad to say. 
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Valued Member
United States
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I caught the coin bug 5 years ago at the age of 30 from buying bullion at my LCS. It's been 3 solid years since I've bought bullion and currently I'm slowly putting togeather a mint set of Liberty Half Eagles from all 7 or 8 if you include west point, and a 20th century type set 1900 to 64. 2 years ago I joined a coin club and since then I've become more involved with the club. Next week another member and I set up a presentation of US coins to show to some students at a grade school here in town. I asked if I could go simply to help grab at least one students attention in hope for helping our hobby out. My other hobbys are skateboarding and snowboarding and used to compete in both when I was younger. This may sound cheesy but if I can add some coolness to the presentation then ill be stoked.
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Valued Member
United States
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There are two coin dealers here locally in my small town here in Northeast Kansas. The one deals in coin and jewelry and I tend to find him overpriced, so I usually buy my raw Peace dollars at coin shows. The other part-time coin dealer didn't have two minutes to sell me a Peace dollar after I had been back twice to see him. The part-time guy I will never deal with again due to his crappy attitude. As a younger collector, 36 here, I tend to buy what coins I want online or at coin shows. Most of the dealers at coin shows are appreciative when I sit down with cash ready to buy, whereas a lot of the local dealers act as though I'm not worth their time to deal with.
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Valued Member
United States
411 Posts |
Very good read. I live in southeast Alabama. The closest coin shop is 33 miles away and they have very little and act as if they really don't care if you come in . Now we have two pawn shops in my town and four in the town 33 miles away. There again they all say theres the coins if you need me call me. The closest show to me is once a year at 120 miles away. Been there done that, way to high. The same way with coin shops, they have to pay the rent on that building and they want to make it off each and every customer.
a lot of good post here.
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Now mix massive Chinese counterfeiting into the recipe.
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