Coin Community Family of Web Sites Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors
300,000 items to help build your collection! Royal Canadian Mint products, Canadian, Polish, American, and world coins and banknotes. Royal Estate Auctions - $1 Coin AuctionsJoin Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors Vancouvers #1 Coin and Paper Money Dealer Coin, Banknote and Medal Collectors's Online Mall Specializing in Modern Numismatics








Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?


This page may contain links that result in small commissions to keep this free site up and running.

Welcome Guest! Registering and/or logging in will remove the anchor (bottom) ads. It's Free!

Interesting Conversation With A Local Coin Shop Owner!!

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
Author Previous TopicReplies: 48 / Views: 6,295Next Topic
Page: of 4
Bedrock of the Community
paralyse's Avatar
United States
12057 Posts
 Posted 03/15/2017  10:06 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add paralyse to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Last Thursday I decided to drive about 25 miles to get to a local coin shop -- which I have never visited before -- and see what's what. I had not been to a coin shop since the late 1980s, as a point of reference, and my last show was TNA in June 2016. It ended up being a great shop, clean, well-organized, although stocked mostly with bullion, and I spent a good bit of money, and the owner and employees were more than happy to discuss the business and the hobby with me -- so I asked some questions, and thought that the CCF crowd might find the answers somewhat illuminating.

Time in business: 30 years

Product selection: Raw Morgan & Peace dollars, PCGS/NGC graded coin slabs (one full case), silver and gold bullion (the rest of the shop), coin supplies - tubes/albums, bins of bargain priced coins in 2x2's by denomination ranging from Large Cents->Wheat Cents to Seated Halves->Franklin Halves, a couple of complete sets in Dansco's.

Notable absences: Colonials, paper money/currency, non-bullion world or foreign coins, ancients

On the business now vs. 5/15/25 years ago:
Now most customers come in to buy silver and gold bullion, rounds, bars, etc and don't care about coins at all except ASE's, Libertads, whatever. As a result inventory is now maybe 10% coins. 15 years ago - modest demand for bullion, much higher demand for coins. 25 years ago - little to no demand for bullion, all coin inventory. Owner states most of the bullion buyers are motivated by fears of economic difficulties / a lack of faith in the soundness of the paper dollar.

On the average customer now:
Almost no one under the age of 40 walks through the door unless they are trying to sell something they inherited or looking to buy bullion gifts. Most of them ignore the coins entirely except for ASE's and Gold Eagles. Little to no interest in classic gold or classic/modern US issues. However, there are still a few coin collector customers who come in; they are loyal, knowledgeable, and very friendly, and help clear out the coin inventory.

On collecting coins as a hobby:
Feels that numismatics is a hobby is "dead" and that no one under 30 is going to be caught dead admitting to being a coin collector anymore; thinks that most of the kids are too busy staring at cell phone screens to look at coins, and also talks about how hardly any businesses do cash transactions anymore, everything is debit or credit. As he puts it, "most of my coin customers are retired old men." He thinks that the growth of the investment market in high end graded coins and the popularity of bullion have been the only thing keeping the hobby alive. Feels that the hobby has become too expensive for many blue-collar folks to pursue and that investors have driven prices way up.

On coin collecting vs. other hobbies: feels coin collecting ended up slightly better off than sports cards, stamp collecting, beanie babies, etc. but still these days being supported mainly by investors and not collectors. States slab graded coins raised prices by a lot and made coins much less affordable which hurt the collector market quite a bit.

Value of coins collected in the future: Sees the bottom falling out of the market as the buyers all get old and pass away with no new interest from young folks. Thinks non-bullion coin prices will soon experience a huge price crash within 10-20 years and is recommending to all of his coin customers to get out of the market before "the bottom falls out."

On setting up at coin shows and other local events: Cost of the tables, cases, etc. and security and safety of transporting the merchandise is not justified based on low turnout at most shows, little or no interest in non-bullion products, and thin margins. States Internet has been a much more profitable avenue of sale with much reduced overhead and expenses, but even then, inventory can sit for 2 or more years before someone buys it.

On merchandise selection: Paper money was never popular with most customers even years ago being way outnumbered by coin collectors; no demand for non-bullion foreign coins, ancients, or colonials so cannot justify the cost to keep in inventory. Says that the rise of the slabbed-coin industry hurt sales to people who used to just come in to fill album holes because very few customers still pursue album sets, wanting instead high end investment-grade slabbed coins.

On how to possibly get young collectors back into the hobby: notes that a few young collectors have had a lot of interest in NCLT issues such as Disney coins, colored coins, holographic coins, etc. Thinks that the US would do well to license Pokemon or Transformers or MMA fighters or other pop culture phenomenon and release affordable NCLT issues, tokens, etc. as well as taking programs like the State Quarters and making Federal issues for football/baseball teams, famous actors and actresses, etc. to reconnect a younger crowd with coins. Maybe adding QR codes to coins that can be scanned with smartphones to add the coin to a virtual online collection, score points, and trade with friends online.
Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890

"Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis
Pillar of the Community
Imthealphaomega's Avatar
United States
3210 Posts
 Posted 03/15/2017  10:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Imthealphaomega to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is just his area. I actually know a kid who lives near me who is 15 and is big into numismatics. I started collecting coins when I was around 24 and still love it, granted my tastes and preferences have changed.

Yes the internet has managed to close a lot of local coin stores, and that most coin shops do carry a lot of bullion. My local guy 25 mins away is about 60% bullion, 40% coins and some paper money. I don't think the hobby is dying at all, granted there is a slow decline especially now with the previous recessions of 2009 and such. Coin collecting as a whole is gonna take a long long time to come close to dying out, unlike stamp collecting; which is by all means practically dead.

There are always going to be coins that are always going to be widely collected (Morgans, wheat pennies, etc. stuff that is readily available), gold coins are also going to continue to thrive in my opinion.

All in all I guess it really depends on your location. I know your Texas, but here in NY I have a buddy of mine do all the local shows in NY and he says it is normally quite busy and there are usually a fair amount of younger collectors
Pillar of the Community
TypeCoin971793's Avatar
United States
6370 Posts
 Posted 03/15/2017  10:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TypeCoin971793 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
An interesting observation I've made at the shows around NC is that the dealers who sell ancients/foreigns are the ones that sell the most inventory at shows. Their tables were almost always busy, and at times spilled over into neighboring tables (rude, I know, but where are you going to put the customers?).

At the Raleigh show, there were three such dealers, and there was someone looking at / buying something at each table every time I walked past. Few other tables were like that. I guess people are starting to switch from US to other cheaper, more-interesting venues.
Valued Member
United States
275 Posts
 Posted 03/15/2017  10:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dlangs56 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good read, thank you for posting. FWIW anecdotally, I am 39, working on a few albums this year to cheaply learn the ropes, with the intent of getting some slabbed coins once I have figured out what I am doing.
Pillar of the Community
Debrajc's Avatar
United States
4211 Posts
 Posted 03/15/2017  10:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Debrajc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow Adam....thanks for the "interview". What a delightful shop that must be to visit!
Sadly I have to agree with a lot of what this wise shop owner shared with you. Last Friday my son (29) and I went to the ANA show in Orlando. His interest solely lies with (small) gold bullion coins and silver. His purchase for the day was a 1988 (his birth year) 1/10th oz. gold panda. He does not fall under the survivalist / economy ears / paper money faith tho. He just really likes gold and silver bullion. My albums are of zero interest to him and I may part with them before I meet my maker. I find myself purchasing less and less old classic US coins as years go by and buying more world silver bullion coins. Very interesting!
Pillar of the Community
Debrajc's Avatar
United States
4211 Posts
 Posted 03/15/2017  10:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Debrajc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
And as a side note....when he visited the vending machine for a soda...he pulled out his debit card.

He almost never carries ANY cash either.
But I am NEVER cashless in my wallet.
Different generations I guess.
Valued Member
crazyglue's Avatar
United States
467 Posts
 Posted 03/15/2017  10:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add crazyglue to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


Very interesting post, thanks for sharing.

I agree with most of his points and feel the same way. Especially this one:


Quote:
Value of coins collected in the future: Sees the bottom falling out of the market as the buyers all get old and pass away with no new interest from young folks. Thinks non-bullion coin prices will soon experience a huge price crash within 10-20 years and is recommending to all of his coin customers to get out of the market before "the bottom falls out."


Few want Large cents. Fewer and fewer every year want Indian head. Its just the way of the world.


I have slowly sold off my US coin collection for lack of interest on my own part.

All I really have left now is circulated silver series collections (i.e silver dimes, quarters, half and dollars).

I have complete shifted to world bullion (including US bullion) also. It is something I can collect for the love of collecting (and the beautiful designs), while still maintaining a cost at or near the melt value of the coin in most cases.

I do not use cash very often and frequently don't even have money on me at all. I have been known to throw away cents.

I am sad about the likely diminishing of my enjoyable hobby. But I am not sad because coin shops are not as prevalent- I prefer the internet and the wide world that has opened up to me.

Pillar of the Community
United States
1191 Posts
 Posted 03/15/2017  11:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LibertyEagle20 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I find it interesting that so many are interested in bullion over coins. I'd much rather have an uncirculated Peace dollar for $25 than a ASE for $20. I can see why people don't collect the super old classics (ex: large cents, Indian cents) because odds are they never experienced them in circulation during their life time (and their parents and likely grandparents didn't either). Plus most of the super old coins have been cleaned are are expensive. That's why I like Roosevelt dimes so much.. they've been around for 70+ years and counting so everyone recognizes them.
Pillar of the Community
T1Steel's Avatar
Canada
623 Posts
 Posted 03/15/2017  11:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add T1Steel to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting and informative read,thanks for sharing.
Bedrock of the Community
paralyse's Avatar
United States
12057 Posts
 Posted 03/15/2017  11:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm 38 and collect extensively and try to engage as many young folks and co-workers as possible so it was a real eye opener to hear this kind of stuff coming from a shop owner. Super nice guy, really friendly and easy to do business with, but very negative outlook on the hobby side of the business. I've been collecting for 25+ years so I get where he's coming from a bit but I don't think I'm ready to abandon the SS Numisma just yet.

As for local shows, attendance was up at TNA two years in a row, and ANA Money Show in 2016 was also very well attended. I love the bourse and filling holes and picking up impulse buys, and would hate to see that ever go away. But it's ominous when the busiest tables at the shows are the ones with WE BUY YOUR ESTATE COINS, inherited COINS? SEE US FOR TOP PRICES! and CASH FOR GOLD AND SILVER banners flying over their mega-tables.
Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890

"Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis
Edited by paralyse
03/15/2017 11:08 pm
Pillar of the Community
United States
3184 Posts
 Posted 03/16/2017  01:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mkman123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good read, thanks
Valued Member
joeysanders627's Avatar
United States
408 Posts
 Posted 03/16/2017  03:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add joeysanders627 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm 41 and, if I want to feel young, all I have to do is walk into a coin show. I'm usually at the younger end of the spectrum. I think the people you talked to at the LCS are pretty much right on the money.

At the end of the day, the younger generation is not going to be involved in coin collecting because they have better things to do. Look at all the great technological advancements over the last fifteen years. My first game console was the Atari 2600 and it pales in comparison to the awesomeness of video games today. No wonder children are getting diabetes at a younger age now than they ever have been. Their minds are occupied with other more fun things to do. They cannot see the beauty in holding a coin in their hands.

Also, the lack of disposable income in the middle class is another problem. If you are a middle class, can you really afford to get involved in the coin industry now like you used to in the eighties? Of course not.

Coin collecting as a hobby has health problems right now. It's not going to get any better.





New Member
United States
5 Posts
 Posted 03/16/2017  06:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Monkeybusiness to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Almost no one under the age of 40 walks through the door unless they are trying to sell something they inherited

This! I don't know how many stories I hear about the grandkids inheriting a nice coin collection and taking it straight to a pawn shop or gold buyer to sell it and buy crap like tv's and video games. It's sad really.

I'm 33 and I think a lot of the dealers share blame for the state of the hobby though. I went to the ANA show in Orlando last saturday, which was free to the public, and I'd say about half of the dealers had already packed up and left. I talked to a few people and they both said something like "oh, a lot of the dealers just come here to buy and sell with other dealers". Well, if that's the attitude at coin shows that are supposed to attract the public, you're gonna turn people off to the entire hobby really quick. Just my 2 cents.
Rest in Peace
T-BOP's Avatar
United States
18456 Posts
 Posted 03/16/2017  07:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add T-BOP to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have to disagree about kids not into coins . The local shows that I go to have lots of kids there as well as some oldtimers. I even see some wheeling and dealing .
Pillar of the Community
RoyCoinBoy's Avatar
United States
1609 Posts
 Posted 03/16/2017  07:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RoyCoinBoy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hey hey hey!
I'm not even old enough to drive a car and lookie where I have 550 posts!

And guess what: I hate colorized coins, Disney coins, etc.
Edited by RoyCoinBoy
03/16/2017 07:54 am
Pillar of the Community
flag4's Avatar
United States
869 Posts
 Posted 03/16/2017  08:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add flag4 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Roy, you just renewed my faith in the young generation!
  Previous TopicReplies: 48 / Views: 6,295Next Topic
Page: of 4

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.



    




Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Coin Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Family- all rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Coin Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Contact Us  |  Advertise Here  |  Privacy Policy / Terms of Use

Coin Community Forum © 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Forums
It took 0.44 seconds to rattle this change. Forums