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Have You Ever Seen Anything Quite Like This?

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 Posted 03/23/2017  9:27 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Naughtius Maximus to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I bought this coin several months ago, long before even thinking about joining this forum, but reading through threads, I thought I'd throw it out there. I knew going in it was a fake, although it was advertised as a real denarius, but it seemed to me as if it were a "genuine" ancient fake and that made it interesting enough to me that after watching it for quite a while I decided I had to have it. It was inexpensive anyway (less than $18 US, postage included). The thing is, I've never been able to find anything similar using Google so I hoped I might find help here.

Anyway, on to the coin itself: It purports to be a denarius. I can't 100% identify the ruler, but the closest match I've seen has been a coin of Commodus, at least for the obverse. The reverse is obviously Aequitas, although her attributes of scales and pertica seem to have fallen out of favor by the late 2nd century in favor of the more typical scales and cornucopia. The legends on both sides are gobbledygook, seeming to be a random assortment of Roman as well as Greek letters, forwards, backwards, and upside down, as well as what seem to be completely made-up characters, although on the reverse, the counterfeiter seems possibly to have made a stab at spelling "AEQUITAS." Even so, both the obverse and reverse designs are of a quite attractive design rather than the crude efforts of some fakers.

The surfaces are odd, having an almost "burlap" texture to them, although that may be due to the extensive cleaning the coin has apparently had, though not entirely successfully in removing a dark encrustation, particularly on the reverse. As a fake, I would suspect that to be the heavily oxidized remains of the silvering, but the coin itself appears to still have silver content, though doubtless debased. There are three marks on the obverse that seem as if they might be ancient drill holes checking for authenticity as well as other gouges on the reverse which could be for the same thing, or just normal wear and tear. Also, an oddly straight and precise scrape running across the portrait's neck.

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So, I'd love to hear everyone's opinions and thoughts, as well as if anyone is familiar with other coins similar to this.
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 Posted 03/23/2017  9:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting piece NM (and funny CCF name by the way). That "burlap" texture reminds me of the dendritic structure that forms in some alloys during the solidification process following casting. How is the weight of this coin compared to what it should be? I wonder if it isn't actually silver...
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 Posted 03/23/2017  9:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting piece. I can't tell if it started out as a genuine coin or not. In any event the piece IMO has been tooled and altered but I can't see why. It really wouldn't fool anyone.
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That's a new one for me. Maybe in a fire then cleaned, and like previously stated,tooled to bring back some detail?
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If this coin came from eastern Europe I would tend to think it is a modern fake. I would check the sellers other coins and see if any look similar. I see a lot of low grade silver coins on ebay that I believe are fakes. If you can send a link with other coins they have for sale it would be helpful to see if there are similar coins for sale.
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