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The Cardinal Sin Of Cleaning Coins And How To Remove Grime

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I started collecting coins back in 1962 when I was seven years old. A neighbor kid showed me how I could make the pennies nice and shiny by cleaning them with ammonia. I cleaned all of my coins until they were nice and shiny. I showed my shiny coins to an old guy in the neighborhood and he said he would slap me up side of the head (they did that back then) if I cleaned anymore. This was my first lesson on cleaning coins.

I have come across many coins since then and a lot have had grime on them that made it hard to impossible to read the date and especially the mint mark, is that a P or a D? So to minimize the risk of a slap upside of the head, and I am sure this has been asked before, do you rub the coin with a cloth, scrub it with a brush and soap or.ammonia (just kidding). By the way, I can't tell now which of my pennies I cleaned with ammonia all those years ago.
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There are many good threads on "coin cleaning." Search and read them, and you will see many different opinions.
The common beliefs are that doing less is better. If you must do something, dip/soak in pure acetone.
Verdi-Care is approved for green spots in some circumstances.
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I read a lot of the post about olive oil and ultrasounds, also wd40, but I thought it would be nice to have a dialog of cleaning success and failures.
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You may get more accurate opinions and suggestions if you were to post images of the coins in question. Many of the cleaning/ dipping solutions can and will be beneficial in the right situations if you know what you're doing.
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I'm still working on the image part of my posting. The coin pictures I took were blurred and not of much use.
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Many of the cleaning/ dipping solutions can and will be beneficial in the right situations if you know what you're doing.

I agree with your opinion.
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One of the most asked questions on this forum is about How to clean coins . There is a right way and a wrong way to do so . If you want to clean your coins, you need to be experienced at it. If you don't know what your doing you can ruin a valuable coin . Read up on our coin cleaning forum and ask questions before attempting a major restoration job .
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I would have never thought using acetone would be acceptable for cleaning coins. I use acetone for thinning the primer I spray on my projects, I have a 1957 Chevy truck I am building. Seems like a harsh solvent for coins. Learned something new.
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Over the years there have been so many suggested types of cleaning of coins. Olive oils, all kinds of soaps, mild acids, Tomato and Lemon Juices, toothpicks, place in freezers, WD-40, battery acid and on and on and on. I just don't know why people just can't leave coins alone. Yes a little dip in Acetone is OK but why keep on messing around.
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This is just one of the reasons why I do it.
It isn't for everyone.

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Was that just acetone or acetone + verdi care?
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Acetone, Verdi Care and likely one or two other commercial products.
The hard to come by ingredients are patience and practice.
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The "harshness" of a chemical is entirely dependent on what chemical reactions you are expecting to occur. Acetone is a "harsh" solvent, in the sense that it will dissolve or depolymerize many kinds of plastic; it's also rather flammable. But it does not react with metals or metal oxides/salts at all. So it's great for removing plastic-like "grime" from coins without damaging the metal or the patina/oxidation layer.

The general advice "don't clean coins" is the default position for coin collectors, for two reasons.

1. Because things that everyone else out there calls "dirt" or "grime" are not necessarily things that a coin collector wants removed from the coin. Paint, glue, varnish, sticky-tape? Sure, remove them with extreme prejudice. Toning, tarnish, oxidation? Leave it there, don't you dare remove it. Yet to a non-coin-collector, it's all "dirt".

2. Because the correct cleaning of coins is actually rather hard to do properly, and very easy to do badly. Further, most kinds of cleaning don't have an "undo button" - you can't change your mind, decide you liked the way the coin looked before you tried to clean it and dis-clean the coin again. Coin cleaning is irreversible, and a botched cleaning job is irreversible too.

I've had "failures" in my coin cleaning experiments - treatments which either did nothing at all, or which made the coin look worse. Over a decade ago I tried various chemicals and compounds, up to and including ammonia, on an old corroded Australian copper token with a nasty case of active verdigris; you can see the results in this old thread, and judge for yourself whether the coin looks "better", "worse" or merely "different".

I've also had some successes too. Check out the results I obtained cleaning up a debased-silver Australian coin with severe corrosion, using a soak in 5% disodium EDTA solution for several days:

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Great post . .

The coin in the before photo, I wouldn't want to touch it with my bare hands!

What a difference.
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Nice job Sap and Chute72. You saved coins that would have probably corroded away completely and aren't high value rarities.
thumbs up.
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