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Hi, any ideas?   Thank you! Edited by d3nja81
03/28/2017 12:05 pm
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Trying (and failing) to read the inscriptions. It looks like LERNHARDVSIN on the obv and HORNE CIVITAS on the rev, but I know that isn't quite right.
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Tough one for sure. Quote:
It looks like LERNHARDVSIN Dave, any chance that "L" might be a poorly transcribed "B"?:  If that were the case the first part of the obverse legend might read, "BERNARDVS." I don't have time to dig deeply into this, unfortunately, but BERNHARDVS perhaps presents some avenues for research. There are coins with combinations of BERNHARDVS and roses:  And I spotted the following - with BERNHARDVS and a similar (certainly not identical) portrait, with a five petaled rose below it - at http://www.henry3.com/semi-imitations.html |
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Interesting line of reasoning Bob. That sure doesn't look like the letter B to me, but could be an error of an illiterate diecutter. I was looking for a King Leonard or something. King Bernard has more possibilties. I'm not sure that I have the right references, but will look a little more at this tomorrow.
Edit: As always, strong work!
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
Edited by Spence
04/01/2017 10:08 pm
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I think you're on the right track with a silver pfennig or Denar of Bernhard III of Lippe. 1224-1247.
Obv: BERNHARDVS III, crowned and pearled bust facing 3/4 right, encircled / III might also be a blundered IP as in lIPpe, mistakenly engraved as "IN" instead of "IP"
Rev: An orb with cross surmounted, enclosing a rectangle, a five-petaled Lippe rose within; legend CIVITAS / HORWE (city of Horb)
The reverse legend with CIVITAS is imitative of British coinage of the Angevin Plantagenets- Henry III, Edward I...
Horwe was in Bavaria, on the once-profitable Nürnberg-Leipzig trade route with its many market plazas and towns. As Horb, it would eventually become part of Fürth am Berg and end up as a Stadtteil or district in the Bavarian town of Neustadt bei Coburg.
Nowadays it is Horb a.d.Steinach (Horb b.Fürth a.Berg), Neustadt b.Coburg, Landkreis Coburg, Oberfranken, Bayern
(English) Horb on the (River) Steinach (Horb near Fürth am Berg), Neustadt bei Coburg, Coburg, Upper Franconia, Bavaria
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04/02/2017 12:25 am
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@d3nja81, I've now done some more looking (in Saurma and Bonhoff, which are standard references for medieval German coins) and I can't offer anything better than Bob or Adam have already stated. I'm not 100% convinced that we have it right, although coins of 13th-16th Century Lippe do often have that distinctive rose emblem. More specifically, you coin is most like Saurma #3124 or Bonhoff #1649, but again not exact matches. FYI Bernhard III ruled from 1229-1265 AD, while Bernhard VII ruled from 1431-1511 AD and both used that rose on some of their coins.
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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while Bernhard VII ruled from 1431-1511 AD For the record, that's not a typo, he really did rule for 80 years. IIRC, it's the longest attested reign of any European monarch (and something like the third longest of any monarch anywhere in the world, after Pepi II of Egypt and Sobhuza II of Swaziland). Mind you, Otto von Habsburg was the titular Austrian emperor for nearly 90 years (but never actually reigned). |
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