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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Recently bought this coin. Wanted opinion on grade and authenticity. Thanks!   Edited by jpbone
04/15/2017 6:07 pm
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Australia
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I can understand your doubt; it has engendered doubt in my mind also.
The 'wear'? pattern is sooo even across the whole of the coin on both sides. These sorts of coins are thin, and quite often have at least some bend in them, which can affect wear patterns.
The textured surface on the fields is the same as on Leopold's cheek. I have never seen that type of wear pattern before. It seems as if no wear has taken place at all, because the textured surfaces seem unaffected.
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Rest in Peace
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Think you got a fake, here"s a real one: 1) Bust is rotated 2) reeding(?) surrounding real coin is double, yours is single  |
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Canada
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The one posted above may be genuine, but it is of a different type; for one, it is a 1 thaler coin rather than 6 kreuzer. I believe the type of the coin in question can be found here, for those who would like to compare. |
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Thanks Joseph, you're right. Still is fake tho lettering and numbers (6) different and bust is rotated. unless there is that much difference between each years dies  |
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Canada
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The dies used are more than likely somewhat different, considering those two coins were made at different mints (as indicated by the different mint marks below the eagle). Now, coming from someone nearly completely inexperienced in counterfeits, I have my doubts about the coin in question—mainly with how the surfaces look—so I shall just say I have no opinion on this coin, and will trust what everyone else has to say on its authenticity.  I did, however, find a possibly better link than the Numista one I posted above, since it has a picture of a coin of the same date (found here). So... maybe that can help more? Edited by Joseph7420
04/16/2017 12:37 am
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Joseph, thanks again, tried the link, here's what I see, note the 6's in the dates MA has two different fonts of #'s, OP's coin has same font for both 6's, also, letters CCW from date are minutely different. Would the fonts be that different on two dies for same year? That to me is fishy. The MA coin matches the fonts of other year 16XX...?
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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I appreciate the feedback. The seller is in Czechoslovakia. I questioned its authenticity to the seller and he (of course) insisted it was genuine. If it is fake, I won't even bother returning it. I'm not knowledgeable about these coins so I just took a gamble. The consensus is pointing in the direction of "not genuine". Anymore definitive info would be appreciated.
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04/16/2017 02:03 am
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Poland
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Regarding the specimen at MA-Shops, you will see that a lot of details match but surprisingly the lines around the VI are solid on your item, not dotted.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Well, I've had a chance to review the specimen from MA shops and mine. I don't see anything that keeps me from believing they could have been struck from the same dies. Regarding the lines around VI, I'm not seeing a definitive discrepancy.
The surfaces are what initially cause doubt in my mind as to the authenticity of the coin. I'm now theororizing this coin may be authentic, but the originality of the surfaces are probably cleaned and AT. Thoughts?
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@jpbone, I've been watching the replies to this thread with interest. You've got some smart folks weighing in here, but I tend to agree with your most recent conclusion that you may have an authentic coin. I do see the somewhat porous nature of the flat surfaces and agree that is a definite watch-out. Considering that the die cutters were often times illiterate, it isn't super-surprising that there would be some variation in the shape of the letters and numbers. I have written a couple times on that subject here on CCF. To help a little, perhaps, please find below my 6 Kreuzer from 1677 AD also struck in Vienna. It is one year later than your coin, but hopefully provides some context for comparison. Mine weighs in at 2.7 g and has a diameter of 24 mm. I apologize ahead of time for the low quality of my pics. You'd think by now I would have gotten better at this...   "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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