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2016 Shawnee Quarter DDR?

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 Posted 04/25/2017  12:17 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add mharrell82 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi still new to the hobby sort of and was wondering if this is a DDR or Machine Doubling?

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 Posted 04/25/2017  10:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Oijogja to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi mharrell82, welcome to the forum (and the hobby). =)

This is Machine Doubling. Devices which are incuse on the coin are made by raised devices on the die, so when the die moves slightly during the strike, it shows up as *larger* devices on incuse areas. The opposite is true of raised devices on the coin, they will show doubling that generally reduces the normal size of the devices (although the total size will often be normal).
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 Posted 04/25/2017  10:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Halo1st to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm thinking MD. The devices are incused on this design. When incused the object(s) are enlarged with die movement. Thanks, Doug.
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 Posted 04/25/2017  11:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mharrell82 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
OK wasn't sure. I was looking at the A in SHaw at the bottom you can see 2 points like it was doubled and the same with the E's
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 Posted 04/25/2017  12:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Oijogja to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, you're spot on. Although it seems counterintuitive at first, incuse designs will actually be smaller on a doubled die.
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2016-Shawnee-Quarter-DDR?
Incuse devices that are hub doubled are reduced in size.

While on the same doubled die, the devices are raised are enlarged by the hubbing of the die:
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Note how the devices are distorted on the incuse hub doubled examples:
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In the MD incuse devices they are enlarged like your coin. Still waiting to see the reduction on the ATB Quarters, but suspect that they won't be found as the doubling on the single squeeze dies happen most often on the central area of the die. Not so often on the outer area of the die where we are looking.
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Again these ATB Quarter reverses are incuse and when the dies slight move, it alters the outside devices most often. They are not doubled dies, but are created by the striking process. (no premium for these)
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 Posted 04/25/2017  4:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinlover1899 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow Coop! You have done a great job explaining things!
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 Posted 04/25/2017  11:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mharrell82 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for all the info
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