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1858 3CS

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 Posted 04/13/2008  02:31 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Jaobler to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Here's a type that hasn't shown up much in the Grading forum. Kinda hard to photograph, too. Any opinions?

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 Posted 04/13/2008  10:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Prethen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
These coins, especially when already in holders, are way too difficult to grade without seeing them in hand. I can see marks and what appear to be abrasions over the star. I would say it's damaged, but I'm guessing that's not the case in an NGC holder. I think it's Mint State and if it is then the grade could be anything from MS60-65 depending on what the lighting would show. Sorry, I can't do better than that. I have several 3CS in holders and they can be dastardly difficult to grade unless you see them for yourself.
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I've got only one 3CS...and agree with you that they are tough to photograph, and with Prethen that they can be devilish to grade, especially when embedded in a slab! This one seems a bit of a contradiction because the date/rim appear more worn than the central star or reverse would indicate. There also appears to be a circular pattern of scratches on the obverse...could those be on the slab, rather than the coin?
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 Posted 04/18/2008  12:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I gotta say, what's with our grading experts? I've always heard that good leaders provide fast answers to questions. If the answers happen to be correct, that's just icing on the cake!

I expect that concept applies to graders, to some extent.

Well, my 3CS is in an ANACS holder and it is a "problem" coin. ANACS graded it as "MS60 details, cleaned; net grade AU-55." Light hairlines are present on the obverse from an abrasive cleaning. Maybe this is what the Coin Depot means in their Coin World ads when they describe a coin as having been "lightly wiped with a cloth". It's quite a pity, since luster on this coin is otherwise excellent.

For the record, the Type 2 silver 3-cent pieces are notorious for strike weakness along the rims. The date and the reverse stars are often quite poorly defined. This one has a mushy date but the features are otherwise rather well struck for the type.
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I couldn't tell if the hairlines were on the slab or the coin. It did appear to have MS details and luster but the hairlines threw me off. I guess I should have asked about them

It is still a beautiful little fish scale though and I wouldn't kick it out of my collection Incidentally, the key date 1855, usually has the best strikes of the type 2s.

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Maybe this is what the Coin Depot means in their Coin World ads when they describe a coin as having been "lightly wiped with a cloth".

I would concur with that and that is why I do not buy from no-picture full page coin magazine ads

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04/18/2008 08:52 am
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Jaobler, reread my original post on here. I think I actually came fairly close to nailing it on the head without actually saying MS details, net grade due to cleaning/abrasions.
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 Posted 04/18/2008  09:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add j_h_s to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I support the MS grade
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Prethen, you were absolutely on track with your assessment. The hairlines are on the obverse only and appear to swirl around and over the star. I could readily imagine some previous owner of this coin taking a Kleenex and rubbing the obverse, perhaps to remove some of that nasty original toning that frames the rims.

It won't happen on my watch!
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 Posted 04/18/2008  12:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Prethen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not sure tissue paper would have caused those marks. Some sort of other abrasive cloth perhaps?
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