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Spanish Cross Pistareens And Chinese Paktong Metal Alloy

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This initial post is just an alert. Check your cross-pistareens and if any are in off-metal alloys other than in brass or copper which appear as silver but the weight is LOW. Two pieces and possibly a THIRD have been discovered. Paktong a form of German silver alloy is a whitish metal, its coin ring bell tone is LOWER than 90% silver and rings like a bell (i.e., bell tone). On Sunday night I have a piece going up on ebay a 1718 being marked at a ridiculous price of $1000. Just so you can review the listing. I will post (if allowed) a ebay link to the piece. Here is the best background on paktong. It should be noted that such discovery specimens IMO are worth a great premium. Matt - I will post a link in the Fake Spanish Coin Facebook group page late tomorrow night.

Here is the background. Note Paktong's empirical formula as noted in the basic reference book of Keith Pinn. Please report all Spanish Cross Pistareens which appear as silver and are NOT in your opinion.

My ebay ID is johnmenc

Paktong

Paktong Background written by Mei Jianjun (British Museum Director of Asian Studies):


Paktong
Keith Pinn, Paktong: The Chinese Alloy in Europe, 1680-1820. Suffolk: The
Antique Collectors' Club, 1999. 190 pages, 18 color plates, 172 black and
white plates, 5 appendices.
Mei Jianjun1
[Mei Jianjun currently works at the Tokyo National Museum as a JSPS (Japan
Society for the Promotion of Science) postdoctoral research fellow. His monograph
on copper and bronze metallurgy in prehistoric Xinjiang has recently
appeared and his current research involves early metallurgy in China and its
relationship to the western influence.]
Among those technologies that spread from China to the West during the last
four centuries, Paktong, a copper-nickel-zinc alloy invented in China probably
as early as the 4th century AD, is undoubtedly the most intriguing one. The first
systematic research on paktong is Alfred Bonnin's treatise, Tutenag & Paktong,
published in 1924. This work remained the only authoritative account of paktong's
history in Europe until recently. The publication of Volume V, Part 2 of
Joseph Needham's Science and Civilization in China in 1974 provided some
new understandings of paktong, but not a great deal. It was not until the late
1980s that detailed scientific research on the metallurgy of paktong was carried
out in Beijing, revealing for the first time the smelting process used for paktong
in Southwest China.2 At the same time, fresh insights into the history of paktong
in Europe were also gained through the analysis of paktong artefacts in
collections in Britain.3 However, the most important and comprehensive study of
paktong undertaken in recent years is Mr. Pinn's book.
The present volume is beautifully designed and well written, and its 190
illustrations are especially impressive. It consists of 12 chapters, the first six
focusing on historical issues, the latter six on typological and chronological topics.
It opens by placing paktong in its historical context, from the earliest European
reference to the alloy in 1597 to the final success of attempts to imitate
paktong in the third decade of the nineteenth century. The processes involved in
the manufacture of paktong are briefly discussed in the opening chapter, and
new sources of information about paktong, such as Matthew Boulton's records,
1 The reviewer wishes to thank Mr. John Moffett for his kindly revising the draft of
this review.
2 Mei Jianjun, "The History, Metallurgy and Spread of Paktong," Bulletin of the
Metals Museum vol. 24 (1995-II): 43-55; Mei Jianjun and Ko Tsun, "Studies on Ancient
Metallurgy of Cupronickel in China," Ziran kexueshi yanjiu (Studies in the History of
Natural Sciences) 8.1 (1989): 67-77.
3 Brian Gilmour and Eldon Worrall, "The Trade in Chinese Nickel Brass to Europe,"
British Museum Occasional Paper 109 (1995): 259-82.
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are also highlighted. In the light of information newly discovered, Chapter 2
presents a brief review of Alfred Bonnin's book. Having acknowledged that
Bonnin's basic research was excellent, Pinn points out that there are some errors
in his book, such as Bonnin's insistence that paktong could only be cast. He then
explains some of his new understandings of the confusion between tutenag and
paktong, as well as a number of specific issues about paktong, such as importation,
costs, retail prices and advertising. Chapter 3 highlights what is known so
far about paktong in China, and also offers an interesting discussion of those
paktong pieces in Western style but of Chinese manufacture. In Pinn's opinion,
Chinese artisans did not produce large quantities of paktong goods in Western
style for export to Europe, although they were capable of reproducing them.
The most significant and welcome part of the present volume is Chapter 4,
which focuses on Matthew Boulton, a businessman who was closely involved in
the story of paktong during the late eighteenth century. Pinn's brilliant research
of the Boulton & Fothergill records held at Birmingham Library has revealed a
large quantity of new information, much of it very valuable and informative. As
Chapter 4 shows, Boulton's interest in paktong led him to request that his agent
in London acquire the alloy, his company becoming a major manufacturer of a
variety of paktong wares by using the raw material of white copper imported
from China. This is a fundamentally new perspective in the exploration of the
history of paktong, allowing the clarification of a number of long-standing mysteries.
One of the mysteries surrounding paktong is how it was imported into
Europe. Bonnin's search through the eighteenth-century trade files at the Public
Records Office indicated that only one entry for the importation of white copper
(50 kilograms) from the East Indies in 1760 was registered. This suggested to
Bonnin that the majority of paktong was not officially imported into Britain, but
was brought into the country as part of "privileged trade" (a system that allowed
officers of the East India Company to do their own private trade on a small
scale). This was just an assumption and Bonnin did not have any evidence to
substantiate it. But now, Boulton's correspondence with his agent in London
regarding negotiations for the purchase of paktong from two East India
Company captains provides clear evidence to confirm that paktong was imported
on a private trade basis rather than through official East India Company
channels. This clarification is significant for the correct understanding of the
social context of paktong trade.
The activity of analyzing and imitating paktong in Europe during the late
eighteenth century is another intriguing issue on which Matthew Boulton's
archives also shed some new light. Pinn's research suggests that Boulton had a
keen interest in paktong and was actively involved in investigating its constituents
in order to reproduce it. The letter from Dr. James Keir to Boulton on
March 4, 1781 shows that they once undertook joint experiments on Chinese
(white) copper. Dr. Bryan Higgins is another important figure in the story of
paktong, because he received a gold medal from the Society for the
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Encouragement of Arts, Manufacturers and Commerce for "white copper made
with English materials in imitation of that brought from the East Indies" in 1773.
His letter to Boulton on 28 February 1773 is an interesting new find, showing
that he attempted to sell his "discovery" to Boulton. Also of great interest is
Boulton's letter to His Excellency Rodney Valtravers. As Pinn explains, this
letter includes important information about the so-called "Gotha White Metal,"
which, in Pinn's opinion, "came closer to imitating paktong than was to be
achieved in the West for another sixty years."
Matthew Boulton's archives contain very valuable information about goods
made of paktong at the Soho factory. Pinn's research suggests that as early as
January 1769 Boulton was already considering the potential use of paktong. A
letter, dated 8 January 1771, shows paktong candlesticks were manufactured at
Soho at that time. Other letters dating from 1771 to 1773 show that a variety of
paktong goods were also produced to special orders, such as buckles, salvers,
buttons, dish crosses and snuffer stands. Useful information about the variable
quality of the paktong available, public interest in paktong and the price of paktong
articles can also be found in those archives. This fresh information is undoubtedly
important in providing a fuller picture of the story of paktong during
the late eighteenth century.
Chapter 5, entitled "Paktong and German Silver," also contains significant
contributions to a new understanding of paktong. The central theme of this
chapter is to explore whether it is possible to distinguish paktong from German
silver on the basis of compositional analysis. Pinn first discusses the composition
of paktong, pointing out that the majority of genuine eighteenth century pieces
contain about 40-50% copper, 35-45% zinc and 5-15% nickel, plus 1 to 2% iron
and traces of a few other elements, such as lead and tin. This judgement is based
on the analysis results of 129 pieces in the W. A. Pinn Collection. Gilmour and
Worrall (1995: 267) reached a similar conclusion in analyzing paktong pieces in
other collections in Britain, such as Liverpool Museum and The Royal Armouries,
but Pinn notes that a few paktong pieces show some unusual characteristics,
giving high copper and low zinc readings. He suggests that this may have
resulted from the intentional or accidental alteration of paktong's composition
after its importation to the West.
Regarding the distinction between paktong and German silver, Pinn offers
the following important guidelines: paktong's composition is concentrated
within the range of 40-50% copper, 35-45% zinc and 5-15% nickel; while
German silver is within the range of 55-65% copper, 20-25% zinc and 15-20%
nickel. These parameters are a significant contribution to our understanding of
these two alloys, especially significant for identifying genuine eighteenth
century paktong pieces. Pinn also observes that there are some anomalies (less
than 10% of the analysis results), the majority of which fit into the parameters
for German silver, but other evidence suggests that they must surely be made of
paktong. A detailed and interesting discussion of these anomalies is then given,
showing that paktong may not necessarily conform to the basic guidelines.
132 EASTM 18 (2001)
Pinn's observation is quite acute. If we use his guidelines to look at Gilmour's
analyses of pieces from the Liverpool and British Museums, we can also see that
some typical China-made paktong pieces have compositions that would fall into
the parameters for German silver. The existence of these exceptions is not
surprising if we realize the fact that paktong pieces were produced at several
different places rather than one place in southwestern China during the
eighteenth and nineteenth centuries.
Pinn further notes that iron content could also be significant in helping to distinguish
the Chinese alloy from the later European metal. This reviewer (Mei
1995: 51) had already suggested that the existence of a small amount of iron
might be regarded as a characteristic feature of Chinese paktong, in comparison
to the typical commercial German silver that usually contained no iron. But Pinn
makes it more straightforward by stating that nearly all of the genuine eighteenth
paktong pieces contain about 1% to 2.5% iron, whereas German silver wares
almost invariably contain less than 0.5% of this element. He also points out there
are exceptions, especially a small group of German silver pieces originating in
Austria that have a high iron content. In his opinion, English nickel alloy pieces
produced after about 1830 are most likely to have been made of German silver
rather than Chinese white copper.
In Chapter 6, Pinn clarifies the confusion between British plate and plated
German silver on the basis of advertisements in old newspapers, further showing
his capability of digging out useful information from various sources. He shows
us that, during the mid-nineteenth century, both plated and unplated German
silver wares were produced and traded in Europe under varied names, such as
Virginian Plate, Alpacca, Argentan and Packfong. The last name clearly
indicates the close association of German silver with Chinese paktong.
As a professional antique collector and dealer, Pinn devotes a great deal of
interest and attention to paktong and German silver pieces themselves. In the
next six chapters (Chapters 7-12), he presents a detailed discussion of paktong
and nickel alloy wares produced during the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries.
The themes he discussed include eighteenth century paktong candlesticks, nineteenth
century paktong candlesticks, domestic and other wares, firegrates and
firearms, and nineteenth century nickel alloy wares. These discussions explore
the forms, styles, designs and manufacturing techniques of paktong and nickel
alloy wares, successfully showing that their range is far wider than had
previously been recognized. His research in Christie's auction archives is
especially rewarding. It has revealed that hundreds of tutenag or paktong wares
were auctioned by Christie's in the thirty year period commencing about 1770.
Pinn's rich knowledge of paktong will definitely appeal to a wide audience,
especially antique collectors and museum curators.
Though the present volume is a most successful and welcome one in many
ways, some points require further comment. For example, Pinn suggests that
"Gotha White Metal" was the closest imitation to paktong, because it was made
by utilizing slag that contained a significant proportion of nickel. But no
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concrete evidence is given to support this supposition. In Chapter 4 he mentions
that Matthew Boulton had asked an associate in Germany "to learn not only the
composition but also the art of making it," but the source for this information is
not clear. Appendix I includes all letters from and to Boulton, but does not
contain a letter from Boulton to his German associate. Pinn also considers that in
the letter to His Excellency Rodney Valtravers (pp. 57-58), the white copper
Boulton talked about is the Gotha metal. However, Boulton's letter seems to
suggest that the metal was most likely a kind of arsenic white copper rather than
a nickel alloy. Boulton clearly indicates in his letter that he was acquainted with
"a variety of methods of whitening brass with arsenic and likewise with cobalt."
This would be another interesting topic for further research.
It seems that Pinn did not pay much attention to the paktong artifacts in the
collections of Liverpool Museum and other museums in Britain. The research on
paktong carried out by Eldon Worrall for his doctorate during the mid-1990s
appears also not to have caught his attention. When he set the guidelines for
distinguishing paktong and German silver, he largely ignored the analysis results
of dozens of paktong pieces already published by Gilmour and Worrall (1995).
From the perspective of readership, it would be more stimulating to see to what
extent his guidelines can be confirmed by other analysis data. A quick check
with the analysis data offered by Gilmour and Worrall (1995: 272-4) has shown
a number of exceptions to Pinn's guidelines, especially those typical artifacts for
Chinese markets made in the nineteenth century, such as opium pipe (AM797),
censer (AM798), door knocker (AM853) and kettle (AM856). The compositions
of these pieces clearly fall into the parameters for German silver, but they were
undoubtedly made in China with paktong and were traded to Britain sometime
during the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries. Therefore, it would seem to
be rather too simplistic to consider all those nickel alloy pieces made after mid-
1830s to be German silver, because the production of paktong in China did not
cease until the late nineteenth century. The research by Gilmour and Worrall
(1995: 268) shows that there is "an overall drop in the proportion of nickel in
paktong objects of the mid-late nineteenth century." Pinn's work suggests that
the appearance of German silver is the reason for the overall drop of nickel. But
that seems not to be the whole picture. Further research is needed to explore ...
End of Paktong ...
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If the Chris Stevens example comes in with the same XRF assay as the Rohrer & Lorenzo Cross Pistareen German Silver Type Alloy specimens it could be the first Spanish issue tied in with the infamous metal Chinese Paktong for a contemporary circulating counterfeit Spanish issue of any period and type! See here:


http://www.ebay.com/itm/25290411051....m1555.l2649

Two strong pieces of evidence Realeswatcher: 1- Over 100 years of backdating from UK German Silver with its starting point of production in the U.K. ~ 1830 (specimens confirmed as possible paktong are dated 1718 & 1723) and therefore nearly an IMPOSSIBLE coining scenario for CCCs, K.Pinn iron signature from his empirical assay of paktong and TWO identical XRF assays being almost mirror images of each other. We await the Chris Stevens example for XRF testing which may? make it three mirror'd XRF assays. Chinese paktong in a Spanish CCC off-metal issue. A UNIQUE historical find!

The price is a fantasy price and is listed just for information purposes. Of course DO NOT BID.

Any bids and the listing will be terminated. This is a call for everyone to CHECK your Cross Pistareens! GS is a lower tone metal alloy when tapped. Rings LOWER than 90% silver. PLEASE CHECK!

Estimate Value: $200-250.

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Boy, the contemporary counterfeit "pistareen" shield 2 Reales are so hard to pin down in terms of origins and time frame...

The idea of a vastly backdated CC is not crazy... particularly here in what became the U.S./Canada. Many of these pieces dated in that high-production 1710-20s range entered through the U.S. Southern ports, dispersed through the land and were often still floating around many decades later (though often in cut form). I'm sure they were not unfamiliar to early 1800s merchants here.

I don't know how long they circulated in Spain proper... but I don't believe they were ever recalled or anything like that (despite the intrinsic content fluctuating widely before ca. 1730), so I imagine they lingered there for quite a while as well.

Then, concerning counterfeits thereof... there were/are SUCH a large amount of CCs of these types. The greatest amount of these (and as you'd expect, the largest variety) are out of Spain proper... but some circulated here as well.

Of course, were the ones that ended up trading hands in the Americas MADE here... or were most brought in, as the original subject coins were themselves?

Lastly... do note that while a lot of the CCs of these are brass/copper ("laton") core... I have seen PLENTY of "white metal" pieces of varying dates - many out of Spain.
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I see the 1718 you have up came from "sedemo"... he sells a fairly large amount of material so we can't really CONFIRM it's a Spain-origin piece... that would of course be the best guess.

That said - for pieces that surface from (apparently having circulated in) Spain proper, I would bet they were mostly MADE there also. As noted in previous threads, there were SUCH a huge amount of counterfeits in Spain starting in the 1700's and running through essentially the whole 19th century... they MUST have developed a domestic cottage industry for this.

It would be useful to look at a sampling of the multitude of counterfeit PENINSULAR SPAIN proper Ferd VII 2R that exist... maybe even into the Isabella "de vellon" reales... to get a better grip of what Spain was capable of through this time frame. As I've noted before... my impression is that the Spaniards don't seem to show much interest in serious study of such matters. "Falsa de epoca - blanca" generally suffices.

Just thinking as I write this, BTW... from casual observation, it seems that there aren't a HUGE amount of CCs of Charles III Madrid/Seville 2R pieces... and not many during the earlier (1790s) portion of Charles IIII. The CCs really seem to blossom again for the later date (1808 in particular) Charles IIII 2R... then through de vellon Napoleon 4R... and then 1820s-33 date Ferdinand VII pieces.

Just something to keep in mind when trying to pin down dating...
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RW - remember there is a BIG difference between that ubiquitous & annoying <VVBG> 1833 Portrait GS piece, normally in brass and usually silvered wash and sometimes with a counter mark and a Cross dated 1723 and 1718. I am currently putting forth a draft paper through Jeff Rock, Marcus Mayhugh, & Chris Stevens a die study paper for these (3) guys on these Cross Pistareens hopefully & eventually through ANS/CNL as a FINAL paper. So far these are the only two located Cross Pistareen GS types with the Chris Stevens piece possibly being a third. The database may grow to 200-250 Cross CCCs? Right now its over 100+ varieties. Anything is possible in CCCs. Its apples and oranges however on the XRF scans between a GS Kleeberg 1771-1780 CCC2Rs and these Cross Pistareens with the signature iron - but its on-going. Due to K.Pinn's book if these Cross Pistareens were dated say 1770-1771 we would have to be very pessimistic since they may be Boulton's GS or possibly an early U.K. GS diluting? the paktong according to Pinn. Its complex but ALL these above factors TOGETHER make it look promising as Chinese paktong.

The bottom line is and you will see in my new book once you get before 1770 GS on any European CCC is very rare. We may see one but it may have to brought up in time to post-1830 if European and even if its a late German 18thC numismatic piece. However on these two pieces - this is SOMETHING ELSE - IMO. Time will tell ...

JPL
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