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Picked this up tonight for $106 tonight. After applying some coupons, it ended up being $93.50 including shipping. I purchased another very similarly graded, a similar looking 1908-D Barber Half about six months ago for $150 so I was very happy to pick this up at this price. I think it grades XF40. I think wholesale bid for XF40 is $175. Would appreciate your thoughts on the grade. Thanks!   IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Pillar of the Community
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Eagle on back too weak. Will give it VF30
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I'll boost it up to VF-35 .
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For Barber halves, the main xf reverse diagnostic is that the top feather on each wing is separated fully via an uninterrupted line from the second feather. This coin exhibits all four top feathers fully separated on both sides. Which part of the eagle shows weakness? In most vf30 coins I look at, the top four feathers always blend into another. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.comEdited by numismatic student
04/29/2017 8:54 pm
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IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.comEdited by numismatic student
04/30/2017 2:03 pm
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I was thinking VF-35. Has a nice look.
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At least VF-35 sharpness, very close to XF-40. Very attractive.
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Got this one today   IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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I bought mine as a VF-25 a few years ago from amida17. Yours is not much better. These Barber halves are really becoming grade-flated.   |
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I think there are important differences in the 2 coins. The eagle's wings in the 1912 do not show full separation, especially in the right wing. The shield shows unsightly staining. There are scratches in the tail feathers. The feather details in the wings contribute most to drop this coin into the lower VF category.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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You also neglect to point out that the obverse of mine is far superior to yours. Look at the hair detail, the coronet, and the eye. The obverse is usually weighed more heavily than the reverse. I would say the obverse of mine is a solid VF-35, with the reverse a solid VF-30, using today's standards. By the same standards, the obverse of yours is VF-30 while the reverse is VF-35. What I'm trying to say is that there is practically no difference in technical grade between our coins.
I paid $50, which was F money at the time. The details were graded VF-25 by the forum.
Pointing out the scratches and "staining" is moot. They don't do anything to the technical (details) grade.
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Grading has two components. The technical grade and eye appeal. Both contribute to the final grade.
Not really buying the argument that the obverse of your coin is far superior to the one submitted here. Look at the last leaf at the bottom of the laurel wreath. In the 12 it blends into the cap. In the 08 it is crisply defined. I agree the obverses are similar in technical grade. The reverse is where the 12 drops way down due to the worn down plumage of the eagle.
You have a beautiful coin btw.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.comEdited by numismatic student
05/06/2017 11:59 pm
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