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Just Won This Coin Of Saladin

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I just won this coin of Saladin in the Roma 35 auction. A few weeks ago someone on one of the boards asked if there any coins of Saladin on the market. Intrigued I did some searching of my own and found that his silver coins were available. The reason I wanted a coin of Saladin was that I thought he was an interesting character and I believed one of his coins would make a nice addition to my historical figures collection. After all, Saladin fought during one of the most interesting and influential periods of history in Europe-the crusades. He conquered Jerusalem in 1187 and knew as well as fought against Richard I the Lionheart. He was also known as a brilliant military tactician.

There were a number of these gold dinars available in the auction. All I had to do was choose my target and bid. I won this for my first bid.

Please feel free to post any related coins including coins from the crusades, coins of Richard I, or coins of other important Islamic leaders.


Ayyubids. Al-Nasir Yusuf I (Saladin), (564-589 AH/1169-1193 AD) AV Dinar. Al-Iskandariya mint, 585 AH = 1189 AD. "In the name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful, was struck this dinar in al-Iskandariya in the year 5 and 80 and 500" in outer margin; citing the Abbasid caliph "Abu l-Ábbas al-Nasir li-din Allah, commander of the faithful" in inner margin; "al-Imam/Ahmad" in two lines across field / Kalima and Qur`an 9:33 in outer margin; title "`alin al-Malik ghaya Salah al-Din" in inner margin; "Yusuf/bin Ayyub" in two lines across field. Album 785.2; Balog 58; 4.33g, 19mm, 2h.



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congrats , very nice coin . albert
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 Posted 05/04/2017  12:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Excellent coin, I've been wanting a coin of Saladin but they are expensive. Congrats on an excellent coin.
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 Posted 05/04/2017  3:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add orfew to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the kind words.
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Over the years a few of these below have passed through my hands.

http://www.edgarlowen.com/b2278.jpg

This is a graven image coin depicting the weeping after the death of Saladin. I have found these early graven image Islamic coins, when I have them anyway, sell not very high and are not that much collected for whatever reason. I love the original Islamic coins that imitated whoever the coins of the areas old ruler was and you see a slow progression as they change the coin to get rid of the graven images. Often figures that are byzantine leaders but no longer say their names or the fire alter of the Zoroastrians stays for a while until it is gone.

http://www.edgarlowen.com/islamic-c...r-sale.shtml
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Gorgeous coin @orfew! This thread may be of interest:

http://goccf.com/t/285873
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Well done, Andrew!
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Thanks for bringing these coins to my attention. It so happens that someone on another board posted one today. I find these very interesting. Thanks for the links.
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@Spence
Thanks for the kind comments.
Sorry I missed the appropriate section for posting my coin. Thanks for the link to the thread.
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ORFEW;

I think a lot of these get overlooked. Like taken for byzantine. For example you get a Jesus coin but more blurred and the crosses will be missing. Like this one below. One of the many I have to list but I keep pushing aside on my desk as it looks like too much work to research. 30 mm, 6.62 grams. Just looks different and you notice no crosses on the king or Jesus.

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Joe, this is a very interesting coin. At first I thought it was a Class K follis struck under Alexius I, but it's not nor is the rarer Class L, M, or N. The obverse is Mary with a small bust of Baby Jesus. The reverse appears to be the king sitting cross legged on something, not a throne. I can't make out the legend. I'm not sure this is Byzantine. I'm thinking Bulgarian? If it is Byzantine it's not one I'm familiar with.
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Ron;

The Islamic Byzantine coins are really neat, especially this example below:

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Hi.../dinar4.html

See how they start by taking off the crosses from Heraclius, Heraclius Constantine and Heraclonas
then change the hats and finally move to Arabic. At the end the figures mean nothing. Like on that other link the old gods left over for a while until they are removed. I know there are a lot of people familiar with the Arab-Sassanian and the progression of the fire altar out of the Zoroastrian tradition etc but this byzantine coinage to Islamic is very cool as well.

So that coin above is just another in that mysterious progression. And by the way, they never sell for much no one seems interested.

Notice on the link below the ruler does start sitting cross legged.

http://www.coinarchives.com/w/resul...ch=ARTUQ&s=0
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I knew that style looked familiar, but for the life of me I couldn't place it as Arab-Byzantine. The crossed legs should have given it away. Still a nice coin.
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 Posted 05/10/2017  10:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add louisvillekyshop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So the coin is Byzantine after all?

https://cNGCoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=190796

That was a bit of a shock. Thanks to someone writing in to me sending me this link.
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Here is what I won at that auction~

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