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I think this is a 64. It has a beautifully strong strike. But it has unattractive bag rub interrupting the frosted devices and fields. Many surface bagmarks in the fields. Low eye appeal due to fingerprint by the mintmark. Smudge-like toning by the motto. Spray-like luster in spots, proof-like surfaces in other spots.
Readily available common date with many high grade, beautiful examples available. Coin does not seem very compelling. You can pick up a stunning 66 for a couple of hundred.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.comEdited by numismatic student
05/07/2017 2:04 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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I'm in the MS63 range tops on this one.
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Pillar of the Community
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I should add in case it isn't obvious that this is a prooflike coin.
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Bedrock of the Community
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No way to tell if it is PL from pics because there is no way to judge the depth of the fields, but the mirror finish of the fields on this coin seem to be severely marred and impaired.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.comEdited by numismatic student
05/07/2017 2:39 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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With that many marks on the obverse I wouldn't expect anything higher than MS-62.
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Pillar of the Community
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I see this as a 63. Possible 64 if the color ups the eye appeal.
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United States
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I can see MS64PL knowing how frost breaks catch the light when photographing.
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Bedrock of the Community
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no way to tell from these pics whether its PL. I grade this MS63+
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Well, at least we agree it's probably not a 65!
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Pillar of the Community
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I agree. I'm not seeing a 65 here. I understand that the flaws of coin are more pronounced on prooflike surfaces but it's barely a 64. NGC has it at 65.  |
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MS-65 PL seems a little high. I was going to say it might make MS-64 PL.
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Agree it was over graded by a point. It is hard to tell with pics if a coin is prooflike.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Obverse 63 PL, Rev 65 PL, net 64 PL.
Prooflike refers to the contrast between the fields and the devices, as well as to the reflectivity of the fields, ranging from "technically PL, barely" to "wow, look at that black/white contrast and those 16" mirrors." This one, to me, makes a full PL, but only just so.
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