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New Member
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How much can I get for fake coins? Russian ebay seller took me for a ride :( But I got refunded...   |
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Uruguay
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I'm sorry to hear you were mocked, but I'm glad you found your money back.
Probably they not worth much, collectors do not like modern fakes, except to fill empty spaces in the album. I think $ 2 each could be expected.
Do not forget to report the fraudulent seller here at CCF to prevent other collectors from being ripped off.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Presuming these are modern numismatic forgeries and not contemporary counterfeits, and since you show as being in the U.S., you'd be well advised to mark each with the word "COPY" before unloading them (perhaps most easily done with an electric engraving pen). Besides the probable legal requirement that they be so identified, you'll be doing the ethical thing so that somebody else down the line doesn't get cheated.
Not questioning your evaluation, but what aspects of these led you to the conclusion they were phonies? I'd particularly like to know what the edge of that "Cap & Rays" 8 reales looks like.
Colligo ergo sum
Edited by Lucky Cuss
05/07/2017 10:24 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I buy these for a buck or two or three. If a person has a few hundred, they can be fun and interesting to collect and document. I get more enjoyment with counterfeits than I do with regular coins. Some are obvious, crude and even comical. And others are pretty good quality making it not easy to tell with the coin in hand.
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New Member
United States
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@ Lucky Cuss
I took all the coins to a coin shop and they had a machine - none had 90% silver - by metal analyzer - all weighed about 23 grams, off by 4 grams or so...
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United States
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Extremely common in my book.
Edited by Albert
05/13/2017 2:07 pm
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United States
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The Russians are actually distributing many different date Cap and Ray 8Rs that are very poorly made numismatic forgeries. All of the coins have reeded edges (for now) and use a standardized eagle. They are copper-nickel and appear to be pressed and edged in two steps. Looks like the same operation that has been used in Hong Kong for decades. This new group (Chinese or Russian) has a master hub for making dies or molds that lacks the mint, date and assayer portion of the legend. They add what they want using a rotary engraving tool on the die so that you can see the same cap and eagle on coins dating from the 1820s to the 1890s. The manufacture in all cases I have seen is identical. The technology however will spread since they now do not focus on one or two dates.
I stopped collecting pictures after about 12 different dates appeared since nothing is stopping them from making any combination they choose. Any date mint combination is now a suspect.
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That reeded edge obviously makes the "Cap & Rays" readily identifiable as a phony. It could still fool someone not familiar with the type, though. It also looks a bit thick, maybe to get the weight up?
Colligo ergo sum
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The coins are from what I have seen copper-nickel so thickening to gain weight is very likely. better looking
If this group follows the same track as Hong Kong they will develop an edger that can apply a far better design.
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Norway
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How about the Norwegian 2 kroner 1914? Also a fake? Or were only the Mexican ones fake? One in VF should sell here for about $40 at least if genuine.
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Posted 05/07/2017 10:11 pm
