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1837 Banque Du Peuple Penny

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It's been my experience that the Banque du Peuple ribbon is the most difficult to find in mid to higher grades (above 40ish) of all the 1837 series so I am very pleased to have upgraded this example in my collection.

The seller's pictures are from scans and so I expect the coin will appear much better in hand once it arrives.

Note the very strong & complete lettering on the ribbon & level of detail of the beaver (especially the face).

I'm hoping for a 30 (would be thrilled for a 40), IMHO the wear on the rose would keep it from going any higher.

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 Posted 05/14/2017  1:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add colonialtokens to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wade,

Nice token. XF 40.

The obverses of all Habitant ONE PENNY have either a small or large ground.

According to Dr. Courteau:

Note - The words in brackets are supplied by me and are not found in the text of Dr. Courteau.


"The ground on which the man stands varies in size. One is heavy, more in relief
and extends beyond his left foot. The coat collar always ends below the left shoulder,
the lower button of [the] coat are away from the sash. I will call this the Large Ground.
On the other, the ground is less in relief, and practically ends with the man's left
foot, the collar ends in line with his left shoulder, the lower button rests on the sash.
This I call the Small Ground."

The ensample in the photo is of the small ground variety.

Dr. Courteau identifies seven different varieties of the BANQUE DU PEUPLE, two concern the Large
Ground (16 & 16a), while five concern the Small Ground varieties (17, 17a, 17b, 17c, & 17d).

16. Obv. Long [whip] lash ending in two small curves.
Rev. The letters you in that inscription are large. The period after SALUS is strongly struck. R.7.

*** the word 'you' in the above sentence should be the letter 'U.' I edited the correction three times and the program always self-corrected this to the word you. There must be a glitch in the program. Ugh.***

16a. Obv. Same as No. 16.
Rev. Small U's in BANQUE DU PEUPLE. [The] Period after SALUS barely shows. [A] Small die-defect [is] projecting from the inner rim of the garter to the lower end of [the] shamrock sprig. [A] die-crack [is] to [the] figure 8. R.8.

17. Obv. The [whip] lash is of medium length and ends almost straight.
Rev. Large U's in BANQUE DU PEUPLE. Same as No 16. R.3.

17a. Obv. Same as No 17.
Rev. Same as No 17, but [having a] defective figure 3 in the date. R.7.

17b. Obv. [The] Same as No. 17, but [the whip] lash-end barely shows and [the] period [is] closer to last A [in CANADA].
Rev. Small U's in BANQUE DU PEUPLE. The fork of [the] lower right leafless-stem of [the]
shamrock is heavy, with its left part longer than the right. [The} period after SALUS barely
shows. Two cracks [are] in the die, one from [the] border to the lower ornamental leaf, passing
along [the] B in BANK; the other from [the] border to the right ribbon, opposite the first E in PEUPLE. R.7.

17c. Obv. [The] Same as No. 17, but [the whip] lash [is] longer and [the] period a trifle closer to [the last] A [in CANADA]. [The] Bottom of [the] B in BAS [is] very lightly cut.
Rev. Small U's [in PEUPLE]. [The] Period after SALUS [is] small, but distinct. R.1.

17d. Obv. [The whip] Lash-end barely shows. [The] Die [is] cracked, especially through [the] OUS in SOUS.
Rev. Small U's [in PEUPLE]. Both parts of [the] fork of [the] shamrock's lower right leafless-stem are light and of equal length. [The] Period after SALUS barely shows. R.3.


At present, I suspect this to be variety 17d. But absent careful crud removal some diagnostics remain inconclusive.

Enjoy...

doug





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Agree EF-40 or so. Some issues, but great overall color.
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Looks to me a nice EF-40..
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