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1854 1/2 Penny Dragon Slayer, Possible Proof ?

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Extremely strong strike, especially for a half penny. There are details on this piece that are rarely seen, even on the larger Penny issue.
Although proofs are very rare, just wondering if there is a chance this is one?
Grade opinions one way or another greatly appreciated.

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 Posted 04/30/2017  10:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Optimist-numismatist to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't know enough about these to say, but I just want compliment how beautiful it is. :D
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 Posted 04/30/2017  10:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Optimist-numismatist to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Although my best guess would have to be it was probably a fairly new set of dies that made this beauty, it almost looks specimen.
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 Posted 04/30/2017  10:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Amazing. I've looked at a lot of Colonial Canadian Tokens and have never seen such a sharp Bank Token like that. Nice.
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 Posted 05/01/2017  01:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add colonialtokens to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wade

One of the nicest I have seen MS 65.

Kindly provide an enlarged photo of the section of
the Shield opposite the E in TOKEN.

This area is a significant diagnostic. Normally the
outline of the Sr. Andrew's Cross frame parallels the
section of the Union Jack in this area. Some run close
together, some are distant.

On some, only the upper section of the Cross frame shews.
On others, the cross frame is broken in the middle.

On others, that section of the Union Jack is fully struck,
weakly struck, or darn near absent.

On others, the terminals are forked. etc.

doug.
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Wade

An impressive MS ensamples.

Significant areas of note concerning MS ensaples:

A line of demarcation is betwixt the helmet and the visor.
The Chest strap is sharp.
The three parallel lines on the right foot are clear.
The initials are sharp and strong.

The upper hemisphere line of the Globe is clear and sharp.
The serriations of the headband of the Crown are crisp.
The leaves within the Oak Wreath are sharp.
The Anchor Rope Dots atop the Sword and Battle Axe Handle are bold.
The Dots atop the Anchor Shaft shew slight weakness.
The serriations of the Pineapples are strong and sharp.
The design elements of the left Cornucopia is not as strong as the right.
The only weakness to the Shield is to the lower right section opposite the E in TOKEN.

The weakness to the Shield, I suspect is characteristic of the variety and has no
affect on the grade. Several varieties share this diagnostic. I will know more from
the requested photos.

doug
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Yup, that is a real nice one..
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That is a beautifully well struck token! Nice find.
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 Posted 05/01/2017  10:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wade to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thank you all,

Doug, photos will be in a week or so.

I've never been a huge fan of TPGs, but this one might have to go to PCGS.
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Assuming that it does have a high MS grade, how would a TPG likely mention the corrosion spots?
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The technical grade should be MS-65. The spots should be noted.
I am not sure what terminology PCGS uses. I doubt that they will
believe the disturbance near the Rump of the Horse is gas being
expelled from a fart.

A tiny corrosion mark is in the field by the Nose of the Horse.
Another mark is betwixt the legs of the stands of the K in TOKEN.
Another mark is betwixt the left Fledging and the Oak Wreath.
Two other spots are above and below the lower section of the
Anchor Rope Dots (near the Tip of the right Anchor Fluke.
Another is in the lower section of the Fruits of the right
Cornucopia (opposite the Y in PENNY).

I suspect, with extreme care, the condition of these areas
can be improved.

doug

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 Posted 05/01/2017  12:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wade to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
I doubt that they will believe the disturbance near the Rump of the Horse is gas being expelled from a fart.


My thoughts exactly ! If the spot was anywhere else I wouldn't be as concerned, but in it's current location it is a bit of a turd (pun intended).

The sole reason I am considering sending it to PCGS is to take advantage of their "restoration" service.
I've removed a lot of green crud before but never on anything this nice & I know I would be much more critical of my own attempt than someone else's.

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Hey I'd do the same thing if I was the horse in that situation.

The overwhelming sharpness and the color of the coin itself for once doesn't really bring much attention to the minor problems of environmental circumstances. I kind of overlooked them although there they are.
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A clear situation of compressed air----- and the coin is the nicest 1 I have seen
Cheers Don

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Remarkable and good luck.
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Quick update,

The coin arrived today - as I suspected (and hoped!) the areas of verdigris are much less visible to the naked eye than shows in the photo and are not a distraction at all. Nothing more than a spot of verdi-gone will be needed.

Quick snap through 2x2 - and like the original photos the "gas cloud" shows less in hand as well.

VERY pleased!

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