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Anyone else think its kinda weird that adolf hitler doesn't have a coin with his bust on it......I was browsing ebay and saw all the nazi coins and it just struck me as odd that as egotistical as hitler was he never put his puss on a coin for posterity
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 Posted 04/18/2008  01:01 am  Show Profile   Check GO's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GO to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Putting busts or portraits on coins is to honor or commemorate.

The last thing Germany wants to ever do is remember Hitler
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 Posted 04/18/2008  01:15 am  Show Profile   Check GO's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GO to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
and here is a fine example of what I said

http://www.usmbooks.com/hitler_coin.html
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 Posted 04/18/2008  01:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mr Finger to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I understand that germany or the world wouldnt want a coin with his bust on it,But,My question is,why didnt hitler make one while HE was in power.....who wouldve stopped him.....

He liked to compare himself to the roman emperors of old and they always stuck their faces on the coinage



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Mr. Finger--
That's an interesting observation. It's an odd contrast that Hitler's portrait was on many stamps of the period, but not once on coins. Hindenburg appeared on several denominations, but not Hitler.

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Kurt-The fact that someone might deface his coins,probably wouldnt have occurred to him,since he thought he was going to win the war!

I wonder if he did in fact have coins made and they the powers that be decided no one should have them and made them disappear....hmmmmm

But,"Still, on the other hand, water is water! And East is East and West is West and if you take cranberries and stew them like applesauce they taste much more like prunes than rhubarb does."



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quote:
...Hindenburg appeared on several denominations, but not Hitler...

Hindenburg was dead at the time.

Hitler apparently believed that a leader placing his portrait on the coinage, while he was still alive, was monarchist, and the Nazis weren't particularly fond on the old monarchy. He probably had plans to someday crown himself king, or emperor, or whatever word he might have used, but he wouldn't be worthy of appearing on coinage until he'd done better than the old monarchy had done, and won the war.

And if Hitler didn't want portrait coins, none of his allies were going to get them, either. Vichy France struck some 13 million 5 franc coins featuring the portrait of Hitler's French puppet, Field Marshal Petain (KM# 901). When Hitler found out about the design of these coins, he was reported to be so outraged that he demanded the coins to be immediately withdrawn and destroyed. The French complied, and those coins are now scarce and sought after.
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 Posted 04/18/2008  12:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mr Finger to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thanks Sap,that answers my question...very informative!
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"Hitler apparently believed that a leader placing his portrait on the coinage, while he was still alive, was monarchist, and the Nazis weren't particularly fond on the old monarchy"

Sap, that rings true...I also seem to recall his virulent dislike for King Haakon as well as the British Royal family.

Mr. F -- right, lol...it's only brings trouble to look for logic in the mind of someone who most likely went insane as the the war progressed.
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quote:
and here is a fine example of what I said

http://www.usmbooks.com/hitler_coin.html

Ouch. Nazi medals may be very popular in the US, but obviously the people who sell such pieces do not necessarily know much about politics or history. :) Quote from that page:

"The German Government of course, was not amused. They have done everything in their power to help people to forget that Hitler once held the job of Helmut Kohl and Gerhard Schröder. The coins were driven from the market shortly after they began to sell and we suspect that few survive."

Maybe that dealer had to write such nonsense in order to promote the sale of his medal. But because people know pretty well what position Hitler had and what his regime did, such crude comparisons won't work. Kohl and Schröder had the office of Bundeskanzler (head of government) of the Federal Republic - Hitler was Führer (head of state) and Reichskanzler of the German (Third) Reich.

Insinuating a continuity here is pretty shabby in my opinion. The reason why such pieces cannot be marketed here is a different one: Medals like that one, produced quite a while after 1945, are considered nazi propaganda. (That does not apply to coins and militaria etc. from the nazi years.) But if US customers find such medals interesting, there is nothing that keeps them from producing, selling, buying, collecting them.

As for why there are no coins depicting Hitler, well, in 1941 there had already been a design competition for 2 and 5 RM coins featuring him. But production was not to begin until the final victory ... Similarly, Mussolini cannot be found on any Italian coin. Franco in Spain only shows up after WW2, in the late 1940s/early 50s. And while there are coins featuring Stalin (from Czechoslovakia, I think), there is none from the USSR.

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Christian.....Thanks for the knowledgeable post

You guys are awesome
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What's a puss?

According to Dictionary.com's 2nd definition...

1. face: She smacked him in the puss.
2. mouth: Shut your puss before I shut it for you.

Or in other words; mug, countenance, visage...
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I never thought about countenance or visage.....But,Mug wouldve been my next choice....
anyway "puss" more accurately describes hitler!..


lastly..It seems there WAS one coin made with hitlers visage,but,since it was a pattern coin,I guess it doesn't count..
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Ah... and which brave people made such a coin.. lol
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numismatty-I found this on another coin forum,It looks like it was made in germany



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http://forums.collectors.com/messag...eadid=442330
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lol this happens a fair bit: everyone is wondering about why something happened/didn't happen, or wondering about coins, and sap comes along a gives a well detailed answer! This is another example..
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