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1856-S Half Question And Grade?

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I am questioning the grade on this coin. Overall, it is a very nice coin, albeit some blemishes. The one blemish that I am wary of is the one at 5 o'clock on the reverse. At first glance it looks like a scratch, but does not appear to carry over the arrow. This coin graded PCGS 40, but perhaps was held back because of this/these blemishes, and may have graded higher? If that was a scratch, I am thinking PCGS would have given it a "Details" grade, as it is a fairly large mark. Any comments or opinions would be greatly appreciated. I am unsure what I am looking at here! Die clash, rusted die, planchet defect, or just a plain ordinary scratch? Many thanks for taking the time to read.
1856-S-Half-Question-And-Grade?

1856-S-Half-Question-And-Grade?

1856-S-Half-Question-And-Grade?
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This looks like a solid EF-40 to me, and I could possibly see it at EF-45 as well because the reverse is sharper. I'm not sure about the line on the reverse though, I'll wait to see what other members have to say.
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I agree, a very solid coin other than the mark on the reverse. It appears to me to be a planchet flaw, but I am not knowledgable enough to make such a call. I am anxious to see if there are some other thoughts on this coin as well. Thanks for your reply.
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Looks like a planchet flaw as the arrowhead should have also been scratched if it was a PMD scratch with a fairly wide gouge like that. Nice coin. It could make 45 on another day.
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Agree with a planchet defect. I also agree with the PCGS grade. In a sense, this was market graded vs. technical graded in that it just doesn't have the extra pizazz to get the 45 grade.
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EF40, very nice coin.
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solid 40 I think
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Agree planchet flaw and correctly graded at EF-40. Nice example.
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I think the coin is correctly graded.
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Thank you all for your comments on this half. I agree that it is a strong 40, but apparently CAC did not., as the coin did not pass muster with them. As an older returning collector, and a newbie to professional grading, I don't know how CAC views a planchet flaw, or a Cud, or any other production defect. Some collectors seek coins with die cracks, while others view them as inferior coins. I still have much to learn. Anyway, I like the coin, and I appreciate the comments herein.
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EF-40 and the mark on reverse is not a scratch as it does not go across the arrow head and only appears on the surface.
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In general, I think that planchet flaws and Cuds do not affect the technical grade, but do affect the final grade as it affects eye appeal. Visual impact varies and is the subjective portion of grading.
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THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
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