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Need Help Identifying These Coins I Found

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Albania
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 Posted 06/06/2017  10:05 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add vmax1987 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello community

Im a newbie here and in general in coins world,so its my first post here.I need some help identifying these coins I found on my garden while digging some holes.There are around 100 pcs of them.
I did some light research and found out these are ottoman mints but I dont know more about them,and I want to know the value ( if any ).
I cleaned them with salt and vinegar.

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Jake the Dog's Avatar
United States
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 Posted 06/06/2017  10:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jake the Dog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Pretty sure these are mostly (if not all) 5 Para coins from the Ottoman Empire. The side with the extremely calligraphic script in the center is the obverse and that calligraphic portion is called the 'Toughra' which is essentially the official 'signature' of an Ottoman sultan that was used for official purposes. Not sure of any values though as most seem to be in pretty tough shape.

***Also - Please do NOT use salt and vinegar to clean coins in the future! Please search for additional forums on how to gently and properly remove dirt/grime from coins! Future generations of coin collectors will appreciate your care and effort!

Lastly, Congrats on the awesome finds!
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06/06/2017 11:06 am
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Canada
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 Posted 06/06/2017  7:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Joseph7420 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow, what an interesting find! There is only one coin in that batch of pictures that is not from the Ottoman Empire, which is the bottom-right one in the last picture. That one is an Egyptian 4 para coin from 1277/4, or around 1864 in the Gregorian calendar (see here). That one is not worth that much. So on to the Ottoman ones:

All of the rest of the Ottoman ones are 5 para coins, like Jake the Dog said. If there are around one hundred pieces, it would be easier if I tackle all at once, so my apologise for the block of text to come!

Now, I am seeing three different rulers in total: Abdülmecid I, Abdülaziz, and Abdülhamid II. But the names are not that important—the dates are. In the same order as the leaders, the dates are 1255, 1277, and 1293. To help you identify which coins you have are which, I will crop some of your coins to show you:

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Let's start with the one from 1277. It is a one year type, only made in 1277/4 which, like the Egyptian one, is around 1864 in the Gregorian calendar. That one is not worth much (but the type can be found here. To determine the date of the other ones (as well as their values), a little more work is required.

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On this side, you can see a 3, which is known as the regnal year. To find the actual date, it would be like this: year + regnal year - 1 (because there is no year zero). So, 1293 + 3 - 1 = 1295. 1295 is around 1878 in the Gregorian calendar. But instead of writing 1295, most people write the date as 1293/3. I hope that makes sense. And to translate the dates into the Gregorian calendar, it would be easiest to look at some of the links I have posted below.

Onto the actual coins, there are some better dates with the 1255 ones. You can see which dates are better here; however, none of them are that expensive. And in the condition these ones are in, the values would be even lower (link!).

The ones from 1293 are a little more interesting. There are only three dates, and one of them is considered rare (here is yet another link). Even so, NGC's price guide does not list a price for the rare one (found here). Without a price, I would just assume that one may be expensive. The rare one is 1293/2, but threes do look similar to twos, so if you see a 1293/2, look very carefully. And it will require some more searching to find an actual price on the Internet for that date, because I really do not know its price.

Well, I hope that all made sense!
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Korea, Republic Of
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 Posted 06/06/2017  8:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lembafc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Congrats on the find, but you should never clean them if you don't know what you're doing. Really sad to see such amazing coins stripped from improper cleaning.
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Albania
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 Posted 06/07/2017  05:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add vmax1987 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Woww

Thank you Jake the Dog and especially Joseph7420 for your detailed analysis and explanation. I will check the ones you mentioned(1293)and post more pics here .
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Belgium
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 Posted 06/14/2017  2:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petrus to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
just use (demineralised) water to remove some dirt.
dates: https://en.numista.com/numisdoc/cal...amic-30.html
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 Posted 06/14/2017  3:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chase007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
cool finds and nice work joseph7420!
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