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"Coin Scams" On Ebay And Other Auction Sites

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 Posted 04/22/2008  09:21 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add fasteddie to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Just thought I'd like to hear from y'all about coin scams you have discovered on ebay.

For example "un-searched rolls wheat cents tail tail rolls" is one I have often seen.

Another scam that ticks me off to no end involves proof sets from 1955-1964 and have a title like "UNOPENED US Proof set MINT SEALED ENVELOPE"

This is such a scam as the US MINT NEVER SEALED ANY PROOF SET ENVELOPES! They were all issued UNSEALED. If they are sealed it is because someone wet the gummed envelope and sealed it, or they have been replaced by the many available "after market" envelopes and then sealed.

These sets command some undeserved extra premiums over the "opened" sets!

As well, I hope this thread will be educational to myself and other new members

Any thoughts or experiences?

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04/22/2008 09:28 am
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 Posted 04/22/2008  09:32 am  Show Profile   Check GO's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GO to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
99.9% of "unopened" or "unsearched" auctions are a joke

simple solution is to add a more defined search in ebay

Cool Coin -unsearched -searched -sealed -etc -etc -etc
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 Posted 04/22/2008  09:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mycrob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I personally do not believe any coin lot on ebay is truly unsearched. Somebody, sometime searched it. What is interesting though, is that different people search for different purposes, like some are looking for rare varieties, some looking for only specific dates to fill holes, some looking only for higher condition pieces, etc. It is truly rare that grandma stashed away $1000 worth of wheats in the 1950s and left them untouched for 50+ years. Yet, these stories are all over the place on ebay and unfortunately, the buyers/bidders get hooked and the lot goes for higher than it should.

The other thing that happens very frequently, is that seller says unsearched, you bid and win the lot and go through it and there are some good coins, tougher dates etc. I think this is due to "seeding" of the lots to make them appear unsearched. But in almost every one of these, there are strange statistical anomolies, like 99% 40s and 50s wheats with a few seeded teens, 20s and 30s and one or two semi-keys tossed in. Yet there will be no or only a couple 43S, 55S, 39D and others that should be there in a 500 coin lot.
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 Posted 04/22/2008  12:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've come to a very similar conclusion!

I'm particularly skeptical of those "unsearched" auctions with comments like "Wow, I found a 1909-S VDB!". (actually seen on ebay) There are a couple of problems with comments like that. Firstly, that particular coin was hoarded from the onset, and basically zero remained in circulation by 1920. Secondly, what dealer is going to seed a bag with that key coin, with little assurance anybody is going to leave such a comment? Therefore, I suspect that comment is staged, and there must be a network of people who "buy" these lots to "seed" the feedback--not that I'm accusing anyone in particular, lol!
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 Posted 04/22/2008  12:52 pm  Show Profile   Check GO's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GO to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I once sold a bag of over 800 wheats that I got for about 5$

Over 800 SEARCHED Wheat Cents Penny in Bag

I got $35ish for it
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 Posted 04/22/2008  1:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mycrob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You know Kurt, I've wondered about that too, because I sell mixed Buffalo nickels from time to time and they often do contain keys and semi-keys in there because I don't need them and I truly want to stimulate coin collecting. Not a single EBAYer leaves a specific comment about getting that particular key or semi-key; many do not leave feedback at all! So I always am skeptical of feedback talking about keys.

Sometimes you can see a pattern, like same winner on multiple lots, so it could just be a friend, a relative, or other shill bidder who leaves the feedback. Now that bidder's names are semi-private, I think the shill bidding will go out of control.

Maybe there are a few legit feedbacks on keys. But based on my own experience, in which I know I put a key date Buffalo nickel in the lot and got no specific feedback, EVER- I doubt too many feedbacks on the keys are legit.
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 Posted 04/22/2008  1:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jays-Dad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Buying on ebay is like going to a casino, it is always a gamble, and when considering many gambles, the house ALWAYS wins (okay in this case it is the house and ebay itself that wins). However, on each individual gamble, anyone can win. The goal is to be very selective in which gambles you take, never walk in a casino with more money than you are willing to lose. I've been on ebay since May 12, 1999 (just checked my about me page on ebay) and have gained some of the knowledge that helps me select the right gambles. I remember buying a mixed lot which had bad pictures, but I saw a gold coin and I spent $20 for the lot at a time I should have been spending the $20 on diapers for my baby. When I got the gold coin, it said "copy" on it. Lesson learned. It made me better armed for the next gamble. I tend to win far more gambles than I lose.

People have used words like "new and improved" for years to sell a product, they have never fooled me so I won't let words like "unsearched" and "mint sealed" fool me either.
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 Posted 04/22/2008  3:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add snowman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Jays-Dad mentioned one that I see frequently: a lot of coins with a one or two potentially valuable coins strategically placed on top. Dealers often do this to increase the auction values of their bulk lots.
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 Posted 05/12/2008  7:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add penny pincher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A big gamble is exactly what it is, especially when the cards are stacked against you. There are a lot of great points and I agree with most of them, but I do feel that there are a few auctions that are truely unsearched (just wish I knew how to find them) but they are mainly more modern and lower valued coins. If I picked up a roll of coins from somewhere that was dated from the 60's or older it would be next to impossible not to open it up and go through it. But if I picked up 100 or so rolls, then I could see me going through a small percentage and then selling the rest as 'unsearched'.

I love collecting wheaties and feel that if I can buy a roll at a decent price then why not. I know that I am not going to find a key date coin but I have found some that were worth $10-20 now and then. To me it is a big gamble and a game, I never know what is going to be in there and happy to get more than I paid for each time. I have lucked out and received a fair value for what I have bought but do see too many tricks to buy this because it will have at least one of the following...

The ones that make me laugh are:
1. 'I do not collect coins and have no idea of the value' and then you look at the 500+ postings and they are all coin related. Or 2. they say the same thing and then have everything broken down to include a type coin for the last 50 years and know how to seperate the silver and key dates from others.
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 Posted 05/13/2008  09:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TLS5933 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't believe buying coins on ebay is a gamble if you do your homework.Check the sellers feedback closely.( https://www.toolhaus.org ) Be sure they have a good return policy with no restocking fees or high non-refundable shipping charges.If the pictures are poor ask for better pictures or bid at melt price.I have bought some great coins at very low prices just because of poor picture taking or scanned photos.
I can never figure out why a seller lists a high dollar coin with only scanned photos.

I have bought & sold hundreds of coins on ebay.I have sent a total of 2 back and never had one returned from my auctions.
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05/13/2008 09:27 am
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