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I purchased 2 more 3CNs today. What would you grade these? What would you value them? Ill say what I paid in a bit. Thanks in advance. This one was really hard to photograph. I had to tilt it to get the color/luster right.   |
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Are these pictures big enough?
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1865 appears to have been polished. VF details because of the amount of wear on the Roman numerals. The 1869 looks to be VG to me. I'm not sure about the surfaces, but this coin just doesn't seem right to me. Perhaps it's only natural porosity?
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Could it be a weak strike? The other lines in the roman numerals are very strong. Just wondering.
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The two coins you show seem somewhat odd. The first one, at first glance, seems like a MS with weak strike (although that reverse looks hammered!! Nice!). But, I think Hunter may have a point about it being polished. Something seems almost too good about those surfaces. I'm wondering about the grainy and colored look of the other. Me thinks it was messed with.
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04/22/2008 11:03 pm
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Want a bigger picture of them?
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I hate to be cynical, especially when it comes to coins from my favorite series, but I really don't like these two coins at all.
The first one, I think does appear to be polished. Even if it was a Superb Gem, the devices should not appear shiny. There should be some sort of contrast with the fields. Plus, I'm willing to bet that if you tilt it around in the light, you will not get a "cartwheel" affect, that is light radiating along flow lines going to the rim. The light probably just shines all over on the surfaces.
The second one is a bit less problematic, but my guess is that it was dipped and is starting to retone. There's too much wear on it to not have any crust on the coin.
Zachary, there are tons of 3CN examples on this forum and others to compare with. If you'd like, I can send you example of other coins in a variety of grades such as what you're showing here to compare.
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Argh!
I think you are right.
Next time I go in to the shop, I'll see if I cant return them... I still have the original holders. I dont think I'll be buying any 3CN pieces from this shop again.
That would be great if I had examples to go off of.
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Take a look at this topic: http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...PIC_ID=16555 (the links are broken so the pictures are included below). This is what a lower grade UNC should look like (in the future I'll try to provide better pictures). A higher grade one would likely have more lusterous flash.   Take a look at the "crust" and originality of the coin in this thread: https://goccf.com/t/28945, and it's arguably XF. Your's show more wear and none of that originality. Personally, I'd question why the dealer didn't mention the problems these coins had. Depending how he responds, you might want to be more blunt and let him know you don't appreciate being ripped and neither would any of your friends, family, or associates. That should imply to him that he did more than damage a single customer relationship. Edited by Prethen
04/23/2008 10:18 am
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If you can't return them, then these are perfect candidates for pocket pieces. If you can keep from losing them, a few weeks or months in your pocket could help those surfaces. None of us likes to get taken advantage of. Heaven only knows I've bought my share of problem coins from dealers who should have been more forthcoming, but, as always, caveat emptor. BTW, your pics, especially those posted later, were quite nice!  Edited by hunter20ga
04/23/2008 11:08 am
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Well, I'm not so sure that he knows so much about this series. They (he and his wife) only have about 10 of them in the whole shop, whereas, they've got about 100 morgans on display, and this is the only time that this has happened to me.
They're pretty nice and usually give me discounts from the marked prices.
I think I'll go in tomorrow and see if I can get a refund though.
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Ok I got the refund, no questions asked.
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Good job! Now you know to deal with these dealer's at arm's length.
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Glad you got your money back and without any hassle. Good luck on your continued search for additions to your collection.  |
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