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1982-D Small Date Double Die

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Hello coin community ... I was just reading your post and I thought it was very ironic that topic that you all were discussing was about the famous and highly sought after 1982 small date Zinc variety ... And the reason that I say this is because I believe that I have just recently found what I believe to be is the VERY FIRST EVER 1982-D small date DOUBLE DIE zinc cent. And so I was just wondering if anyone could possibly help me out by telling me what would be the FIRST best place to take a coin like this one ?

P.s. Oh and as soon as I learn how to down size the image off my laptop to post them on coin community then I guess I will be sending actually pictures along with this post as VERIFICATION ...

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Hardfinds80.

Looking forward to seeing your photos.
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 Posted 06/24/2017  12:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The 1982-D Zinc cent has a DDR on them:
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A nice one! I've not found one yet.
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 Posted 06/24/2017  6:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hardfinds80 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Bump111 and to Mr. Coop I'm sorry but I do believe that the 1982 small date zinc cent that youve posted is a 1982 small date Zinc cent and not a 1982-D small date Zinc cent like the one that I'm actually referring to ... Infact it says so above all the photos of the coin you posted . But anyway I'm still trying to post images of my coins as we speak right now and it's giving me heck with optimizing all my images so please bare with me . Or as matter of fact if it's possible for me to simply email my photos to someone on here to allow you to post it for me I would happily do so and I would greatly appreciate it ...
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Hardfinds, firstto the forum and second, forum rules are 50 posts before you can email, we don't allow posting of personal info(your email in profile is off BTW) (the bots that roam will get ya). Yes you may have found THE first 82D SD DDO / DDR (you didn't specify), BUT first need those pix, both sides. Before you waste money trying to grade/certify, let's determine if it is truly a DD or MD. Take a look at these diagrams and pix if you would. MD is confusing, always remember that if the letter/digit IS NOT increased in size, then it is MD and NO a Doubled Die. Study these close:



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1982-D Small date zinc cent

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Excuse the doubled photos ... Like I said before I was having a very hard time learning how to download and optimize them but I finally think I got the hang of it . lol
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Ya got somewhere... just, don't take pix off of screen, too much pixellation. I use much the same setup it looks like, Have Adobe photoshop to manipulate pix to size and clarity and software that came wit scope to capture and transfer to laptop:

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To critique your pix... notice you have both typical shelving and shearing Mechanical Damage, not a doubled die (note previous post) as marked on your pix in red/yellow. Not a Doubled die, sorry, but keep lookin' you"ll find one.

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Hope this all makes sense. Another factor working on your coin is Die Deterioration, wear also can look similar to a shear effect, reducing the sizes of devices:




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 Posted 06/25/2017  12:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hardfinds80 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hey thanks for the welcome Crazyb0 and nice setup by the way ... But my question is . It looks like the info that your showing me is information that you created yourself on double dies or maybe found somewhere from one of these million experts that like to post things on double dies. And hey I'm NOT at all saying that your wrong . But I also found informative information explaining that there is more then just ONE FORM OF DOUBLE DIES OUT THERE and one form is identical to the one that I found ... So my question is do you know how many DIFFERENT VARIATIONS OF DOUBLE DIES THERE ACTUALLY IS ? And can you provide THESE DIFFERENT VARIATIONS OF DOUBLE DIES for the coin community so that we all can know what the variations are ?
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P.S. Oh and by the way can someone tell me how I turn on my email if it's off but is supposed to be on ?
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Click on "Tools" above, go to "manage your profile", it will ask to log in again (maybe) and the Dropbox for turning on email will be down a few lines
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hard find, in your profile page on left is email.

As to "types " of doubled dies, Charles Daughtrey (coppercoins.com) in his book "Looking through Lincoln Cents" describes the different doubling very well. I'm assuming you're talking about rotated hub,distorted hub, design hub, offset hub, pivoted hub, distended hub, modified hub, tilted hub, shifted hub...these are the 9 classes of doubling recognized by the industry(in order 1-9, as listed). These on some sites as Wexlers doubled die.com use the Class reference. At times there may be more than one class involved. All this does is indicate direction, location and appearance of that coins doubling. When we refer to Machine(mechanical) doubling, that is not "Die doubling" where the "doubling" is the product of die PRODUCTION, the "hubbing " or stages of die production. MD happens when the coin is struck, it is strike damaged. How it was explained to me was when the hammer die is moving down to strike, it can make a vibration "jump", or "Chatter" which can cause a shifted second hit on that bounce(possibly multiple) creating a "shelf" flat, squared off. If on the upswing, if it is loose and moving sideways, the edge of the die devices may "drag" against them causing that "shearing effect. Both these processes will make the devices appear smaller than the normal device. They can happen in reverse order, go in multiple direction, no set standard. When hub doubling happens, the die devices have been INCREASED in size(total width), as in rotated hub class 1 as seen in 1955P, 1972P & 1969S classic examples. When you have other combined classes, you get notched letters because not only was hub rotated, but shifted up or down per say. Then you have "doubled ears, in center of devices. This is the depth of doubled dies, remember KISS, keep it simple stupid! That's what I go by. Are devices increased or decreased in size, are directions same, is it on more than one device, is it shelf-like or rounded. 99% of the time that works. The other point I go by, is my "find" listed anywhere? There is a 1:100 BILLION or more chance of finding an unlisted DDO,DDR,RPM. Other errors like Cuds, crack and craters show up all the time, those that happen in the process of coining...not errors related to the making of the die. My bedtime...

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That's one heck of a paragraph, Crazyb0!

...that contains good information.

However, Hardfinds80, you should have created a new topic for your coin. The original coin/question posted by another member (Gula1) is now essentially lost in the discussion. I'm surprised no one else has pointed this out.

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Hardfinds80,
With all do respect,it seems you do not want to here what the pros like Coop are telling you. I have read your posts that's how I know.Everyone that answers your post are giving their Opinions,some know what they are saying and some not as much. But when someone like Coop tells you something you can take that Opinion to the bank.
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I think I have a small date 1982p zinc double die reverse. The fs-01-1-1982-100. I would like an opinion of a more experienced collector than myself. Tell me what you think please.
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