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Well after learning of the different variations of the Lincoln doubled die formative years cent I was amazed to discover my very first ever Double die lincoln formative cent and whats even more amazing is that instead of it actually being doubled in between his two fingers like most doubled dies the doubling is actually Ontop of his hand and finger which I think is super amazing since I have never seen a variation of this kind . .. Infact speaking of which . And since I'm almost positive that there will be some experts in the community that will probably say they have seen this kind a dozen times or so then does anyone have photos of this variety ? And if so could you please share it along with your thoughts ?   *** Moved by Staff to a more appropriate forum. ***Edited by Hardfinds80
07/05/2017 8:56 pm
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Please don't display pictures upside down. Us older folks can't stand on our heads to look at it!!  |
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I doubt the experts can provide you with a picture that matches your coin. It look's more like it took a hit on the back of the hand along with a hit on the tip of the index finger. Not a new variation but just a damaged coin from what I can see
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Yes at first glance that's what my first thought was as well but upon closer examination with my magnifier and micrscrope it's certainly no damage jasper62 and I'm willing to bet you money on that
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07/05/2017 9:29 pm
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Oh and I do apologize about that mark1959 ... I'm always using my cell so I forgot that some people are sitting at their computer
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It's just MD - Machine Doubling! But in a strange kind of location? Interesting cent you have!! |
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Yes at first glance that's what my first thought You should stick with that first thought as it's the correct one.  The burden of proof is on you,not me |
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Well jasper62 and Mark1959 I guess in the end we all shall see if it's actually MD or damage as you both have put it and I'm going to put all my coins on the fact that the reason that the Raised pattern is clearly tracing his other fingers ontop of his hand is because it's neither one of those professional intelligent guesses |
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Oh and the reason that the book binder hes holding is also in sync and aligned with the finger pattern without any damage to it is because it's not MD or Damage ... But again I'm not a expert that is just my honest observation  |
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My first suggestion is to start using the "pencil & paper" icon at the top of your posts to edit your most recent post instead of creating a string of posts with no one else posting in between. This can be seen as artificially inflating your post count. Wow, how many times did I just say post?  Also, I humbly suggest getting a clear understanding of the types of doubling that can be found on coins. Machine Doubling (MD, aka Mechanical Doubling & Machine Damage) is often mistaken for a true Doubled Die. There are ways to distinguish the two, as well as Die Deterioration Doubling ( DDD) that are very clear in most cases. Also, the three types can be combined on the same coin in various ways.  In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020
In Memory of Tootallious 3-31-1964 to 4-15-2020
In Memory of T-BOP 10-12-1949 to 1-19-2024
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07/06/2017 03:15 am
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Well thank you very much spruett001. But just as a heads up . Before I make any post . I first do lots of research on the different variations of doubled dies and Machine Doubling first. And then when I cant find any that are similar MD like this one I then share them with all my CC experts in hopes of finding similar finds . None of which I've found so far unfortunately. Such as the triple MD ? Edited by Hardfinds80
07/06/2017 01:14 am
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There's a reason why you haven't found the same MD coins as you have.  In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020
In Memory of Tootallious 3-31-1964 to 4-15-2020
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Hardfind80: Cool your jets fella. We all here try to help to the best of our abilities, sometimes that is quite difficult not having coin in fist. The chances of finding a new variety of a known coin that has numerous KNOWN DDO / DDR after 5 years is quite slim, although never is it impossible. That being said, I have been giving your coin a three and four time go over. I think I see why you may say "new variety" based on this one and only point, there is an "odd" gap between the index and middle fingers that hasn't happened (been formed) by either a random hit OR by MD. I do see indications of hit damage as circled in YELLOW, the fingertip has been smashed, size is close to coin rim size. Circled in BLUE is what appears to be either Master Die Hub doubling or MD, and doesn't matter in this discussion. The two RED circles are the big question. #1 could very well be a DDR, I have seen those as a doubled index finger as listed in Coppercoins. #2 is an "I don't know". I "think" it has been damaged by whatever hit the fingertip, pushing the metal "downward". This also may have caused the gap between fingers I find odd. Final analysis: You may well have an already listed DDR, but your coin has received damage that will make it un attributable. If you want a 2009P DDR, I'll mail you one. If you're still not convinced, wait to see if Coop shows up and what he says, then go from there.   Edited by Crazyb0
07/06/2017 02:44 am
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I am mostly with CrazybO on this this one. I think that with the doubling on the web of the thumb that it is an existing DDR that has been damaged in multiple areas. I think you should be able to match it up with one of Wexler's with doubling in the same web area. I would not say that you can not find additional unlisted doubled dies out there though. I submitted 5 unlisted 2009 EC WDDRs fairly recently and still have at least two more that have not been submitted. If you feel that it is an unlisted DDR then I would submit it to Mr Wexler to get his opinion. It is a very easy process. I have never had one on mine to go missing when sent to him. Still Lookin |
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Sorry ,not a DDR, the areas within your yellow and blue circles are damaged areas where the coin got hit by other coins! |
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Well first of all thank you very much for your responses Crazyb0 and still looking because it seems like your observations are actually sincere and not solely fueled by a Cockey Ego or from the jealousy of someone else making a nice find before the other person does like ive experienced in the past on this one and few other coins because lets be totally honest I'm sure that we all know that it does happen from time to time on here and to say that it doesn't would be being totally fake ... But anyway. Again thanks . And like you said I just wish that you could actually hold this crazy coin in your hand so that you can actually see with your own two eyes how crazy and bizarre it really is . I mean granted I'm sure that it could possibly look damaged from the pictures because at first I thought the same exact thing . But that was up until I actually took a closer look at it under my USB microscope
And noticed that it doesn't have any of the consistent markings that damaged coins have ... But anyway hopefully I can get it authenticated soon along with a few others of my cool finds . And when I do I'll be sure to share my findings to hopefully anger a few Cockey people that I've had the pleasure of crossing paths with on here . lol
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07/06/2017 8:36 pm
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