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Can Anyone Help Identify This Weight Or Coin?

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 Posted 07/10/2017  12:46 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Brummagem to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi :) Hoping for any assistance leading me in the right direction on this piece. It is thick and heavy and I wonder if perhaps it is a weight?

Sized about 28mm & 33.5g.

Thank you!



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 Posted 07/10/2017  01:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The figure standing left with bow and club, I have seen somewhere before

My intial thoughts her would be Kushan or Byzantine; it might be a weight as you suggested.
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 Posted 07/10/2017  04:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add greekandromancoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi there,

I do not think it is a Kushan coin. Kushan coins have Baktrian text. I have the ANS catalogue on Kushan coins and can double check when I get home later but I am fairly confident it is not Kushan as I have not seen one like this.

It does not have greek writing so I do not think it would be byzantine.

I am stumped.

Hopefully someone else can offer you assistance.

Where did you find it?

Peter
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 Posted 07/10/2017  08:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting piece, at first glance it does look Kushan but a closer look at the figure doesn't match. The piece does appear to have age. I have no idea what the HHC means and I spent the last 45 minutes going through a list of ancient scripts with no luck. It would be interesting to find out if the script is a language at all. Maybe someone here as seen it before and can help. Otherwise I would check with the local collages in your are to see if they have some one that has knowledge in obscure scripts.
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 Posted 07/10/2017  09:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kamnaskires to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Possibly an Ebusus issue with Bes facing. I'll poke around a bit.
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 Posted 07/10/2017  09:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Brummagem to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply



yes! Thank you so much!! That is definitely the right direction.

Thank you too to all the others who tried to find this!

It came to me as an unknown from a dealer in the UK. Searching for "HHC" mostly led me into listings for another dealer who I think marks their general auctions that way.
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I am continually amazed by the knowledge of our members :)
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Bob, you continue to amaze me. I would have never gotten it.
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 Posted 07/10/2017  12:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kamnaskires to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Actually I recognized this one immediately, Ron. Why? Because I am student at CCF Institute. I remembered the type from a post a couple years back.
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 Posted 07/10/2017  12:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You have a good memory, I have a hard time remembering past last week.
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I have been doing some googling based on this awesome ID and I came across some interesting (I think) info.

This coin seems to be a monster for the series. I couldn't find anything close to it in weight.

I also found that these type of coins were often imitated and both legit and imitation pieces were the most common types of coins found at Pompeii.

I wonder if this coin is perhaps a contemporary imitation of Rome production...?

Here is a link -

https://books.google.com/books?id=Q...ge&q&f=false



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 Posted 07/11/2017  7:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Athalbert to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Fantasy coin...
A "denarius" from Ebusus; Romans never struck denarius in Ibiza as they struck in the Iberian Peninsule...
The Iberian denarius were struck in the republican age when the Island of Ebusus was an ally of Carthage (and coining under the carthaginian monetary system), after the defeat of carthago the island was personal property of the emperor and only struck copper with the traditional carthaginian monetary system...
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 Posted 07/11/2017  9:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Doucet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm sorry to say that I must agree with Athalbert.

Two clones can be found here:

Catalogo de Moneda Iberica Falsa.


http://www.denarios.org/falsas/index.htm

Ibericas del Norte/Ebusus....at the bottom of the page.
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Thank you! That does look just like it at the "falsas" site. That's a great site and I will look through it more and bookmark it.

I don't recall what I paid for this piece but I'm certain it wasn't much. It's a neat piece regardless and I enjoyed learning more about the series.
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