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Got this is a roll yesterday that I bought off a grocery store. They had it in their drawer and let my buy it. After looking through them all, this one stood out ad "Different" I have not searched these before for errors and have not seen this before on any coin.  Took Close-ups with 2 different kinds of lighting.   There is also what appears to be MD on his chin   Is this just PMD or something else? Thanks...Mont |
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it looks incuse (to me) possibly a Struck Through piece of thin wire/string or something. I don't really see any extra debris on the edges. We'll have to see what the other think.
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it looks incuse (to me) I should have added this is a raised area on his eyeball. I almost want to call it a drooping eye lid. |
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Maybe it's a little die gouge. Haven't seen one like that before -- not on the eye.
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Then possibly a fine die crack?
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Here is a photo from a little farther out.  Quote:
Then possibly a fine die crack? I don't think so as everything above the line is higher that under it. Like a raised "shelf" that extends to the top of the socket. Again the best I can describe it is it looks like an upper eyelid. But these don't have eyelids do they? Edited by MontCollector
07/19/2017 6:48 pm
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It's really looking like a die crack, but in a strange location. Good eyes to catch that.
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I'd say maybe a die crack through the eye but can't be sure based on image alone. Strike Doubling (Machine Dbl) on throat/chin area. |
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It's really looking like a die crack, But would a die crack leave a raised shelf like section above it? The whole area above the line to the top of the socket is higher than below the line. This is a raised section you are seeing not just a line. I will have to try again on the photo's. see if there is a better angle to shoot it at. |
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I will have to try again on the photo's. see if there is a better angle to shoot it at. Okay so I tried a light and shadow trick...I hope this works to show what I am seeing. Here are 2 photos with lighting coming from top and bottom. The red arrow depicts light direction. 1st one light shining from low angle from top of coin down. Notice the shadow under the line. That's because there is a drop off to the "Lower Level"  2nd image is with the light source at same low angle shining from bottom straight up (Basically I just turned coin upside down and didn't move the light)....Notice how there is virtually no shadow on to of the line? This is because this is a level surface.  If this were just a die crack wouldn't there be a clear shadow vast from both sides? Or am I just seeing things? Wouldn't be the 1st time. Edited by MontCollector
07/19/2017 11:03 pm
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I had a 1972P on hand so I did a quick side by side not the best though (they really help me). The eye brow area is of course raised so maybe with the die crack running through the middle of the eye it is giving it more of a 3-D effect?   |
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Yes that whole part looks to be overlapping the top of the eye.
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Well the only other thing that comes to mind is a Lamination peel - still attached. It is just such a strange location and doesn't quite look like the normal Lam (it's a little too neat and smooth).
Hope someone else to help out as well.
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Well the only other thing that comes to mind is a Lamination peel - still attached. It is just such a strange location and doesn't quite look like the normal Lam (it's a little too neat and smooth). My thoughts exactly... I found someone who has a 1971P Kennedy half with nearly the identical mark in same place. He sent it into Wexler to have it looked at and Wexler called it PMD. I have seen photos of his coin and yes it is virtually identical in size, shape, and location to the mark on this coin. I know they couldn't possibly be made from the same die. Having said that what are the chances that 2 coins from different mints have identical marks made from PMD in such and odd location? Edited by MontCollector
07/20/2017 9:46 pm
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Well then my only other thought would be to ask (PM) BJ or JC at COC to take a look at it. You could probably send it in to one of them depending on what they respond with on the post. Good luck - it is strange that there would be 2 of them. I just had a similar situation happen on one of my posts if you want to check it out. http://goccf.com/t/292550 |
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Quote:I have seen photos of his coin and yes it is virtually identical in size, shape, and location to the mark on this coin. I know they couldn't possibly be made from the same die. Having said that what are the chances that 2 coins from different mints have identical marks made from PMD in such and odd location? While it does seem unlikely to see such similar damage, dollar coins were used at casinos for ages and ages. The slot machines and change machines are probably made by just a few different companies. So, considering the millions of coins that go around and around in those machines, I think it is reasonably possible to assume that's where you might find identical damage.  |
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