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Here's a pretty thing I just acquired.  Guess what grade PCGS gave it:  |
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That is so gorgeous! VF-35?
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Drool....
I love the Liberty cap design. It is definitely my favorite design for copper and possibly of all time. Hey that sounds like a new poll question think I will start a thread hehe.
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I'm not really familiar with grading this series...but know that they are frequently graded a bit higher than one might expect. I'd not be surprised to learn that PCGS slabbed it at EF 40.
Edited by hunter20ga
04/26/2008 3:20 pm
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I'd call it VF-30. IMO there's just a bit too much wear in the hair to call it EF.
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I know nothing about grading these, but the first thing that popped into my head before I looked at anybody else's responses, was VF-35. Since somebody else also said that maybe I'm not as ignorant about grading these things as I originally thought!
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I'll guess vf-30 for grade with a coolness factor of ms70!  Edited by hadleydog
04/26/2008 6:00 pm
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I'm gonna give this 24 hours. The last time I did this, I gave the answer too soon.
I got the coin for my type set. It's only my second foray outside the bounds of the Dansco 7070. It's a nice medium dark coin with red glowing up underneath and still showing some in the fraction, for instance. The scuffing on the reverse photo is on the plastic holder. I actually managed to clean that up after this pic was taken. The whole coin has a rosy brown color.
I'd be interested to know what's going on with the planchet behind Liberty's hair? It appears as two lumps, one near the rim at 8:30, the other a more prominent vertical lump directly across from that just behind the lower part of her hair. Could this be die crumbling? I've seen something like this on a coin, that was identified as die crumbling, and it sort of looked like this one. I have bigger pictures, too big for here.
Also, I'd be interested to know anything about variety attribution, if there are some specialists out there. Basically it's a Head of 1794, but I don't know much more about it's variety than that.
Edited by Stephen420
04/27/2008 02:58 am
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In another thread I pointed out the coin does not resemble the coinfacts image. I wonder what I'm thinking if the number of denticles is radically different between the two images and PCGS graded this coin and it does not resemble "de facto" or nearly so, the image on coinfacts.
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Thanks to everyone for the comments. Everyone came close and a couple got it exactly (hadleydog and BobK):  As to the issue raised by j_h_s, I'm not a large cent specialist and do not have a reference (such as Breen's Encyclopedia of Large Cents) at hand. But CoinFacts doesn't make any variety distinctions in its listing - such as Head of '94 or of '95, etc. So my guess is that this is just a different die variety than the coin plated in the CoinFacts listing. If anybody knows more, such as whether there's a Sheldon number and if so what it is, diagnostics, etc. about this coin, I would very much appreciate that information. Thanks! |
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Very nice coin, Stephen, and it's great that it's in a PCGS slab. IMO it would be mandatory to have a coin like this slabbed by PCGS or NGC to ensure it doesn't have any serious post-mint damage or problems. I'd call this a minimum VF-30 (strong for that grade) and a possible EF-40. For variety, I'd guess this is a Sheldon S-39 variety, also known as the Marred Field variety for the die chips behind Liberty's head. If this is an S-39, there should be a thin "spine" sticking out from the end of a leaf under the C of America. The spine should almost touch the C on the outside curve. That variety is fairly common for 1794 cents, rated R1. I still haven't found an attractive Liberty Cap for my type set. They are always either excessively worn, corroded and/or banged up, or extremely expensive. I'd be very pleased to have one like this. Do you mind revealing the price? I would guess this would be at least $3000 in today's market, and probably a great bargain if you could actually get it for that price. Congrats, it's a terrific coin! |
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Jaobler: Thanks for the info. I sent you an email. I went to my coin dealer today and we researched the variety using Breen's LC Encyclopedia and Noyes (both of which are out of print). It turns out that this coin is an example of Breen 13, Sheldon 31. Your diagnostics were spot on, but there is one other die feature which appears to be a bit of leaf that was incompletely formed on the reverse die that identifies it. That can be seen in the photo directly next to the tip of the long leaf that points directly to, and almost touches the "T" in "CENT".
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Posted 04/26/2008 10:40 am
