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Sumerian Shell Protocurrency?

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Evening all!
I went to a coin show this past weekend and among the things I picked up was a shell ring which is supposed to be Sumerian, from 3500-3000 BC (the slip says B1031 Moufid 2002 CICF). It came from a trusted source, and I wanted to find out more about these "coins" but found very little and what I did find was conflicting. Anyone know more about these? I would be grateful for any further information you can provide!
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@svnhson, looks like they are available for purchase on vcoins for about $25 each. Also, this website may be of some interest:

http://nakamotoinstitute.org/shelling-out/

In looking more broadly, though, I think that this so-called proto-money is not completely agreed upon as to its purpose. As you mentioned in your post--the opinions are a bit conflicting.
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Oops, sorry.


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Thanks for the link. The different opinions are what confused me. I got it for a good price, though (quite a bit cheaper than vcoins) and it is cool to own something so old from an area I haven't collected from before. The Sumerians did make beads out of shells (you can sometimes find them for sale) so I can see this being a use for shells as well. I've heard differing opinions about Celtic "ring money" as well (one source said most of it was actually horse tack).
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Very interesting piece. I wasn't aware that the Sumerians produced proto money.
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How big is it?
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@Spence
Can you give us a vcoins link for that? I get nothing with my searches.
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Can you give us a vcoins link for that? I get nothing with my searches.



https://www.vcoins.com/en/stores/an...Default.aspx

Sorry, but I'm just noticing now that it has already been sold.
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Bah!! Go big or go home. Buy a cueniform tablet, buy the books to build translation skills and work it.
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Paul,

I think you were just joshing, but just in case....

I have purchased a few cuneiform tablets and cones over the years, and have done volunteer work for a few years at the Oriental Institute in Chicago in its museum, where I regularly saw the Sumerian rings display. I have logged many hours in the OI library with its resources on Assyriology (not my field), and I have briefly studied Akkadian in a classroom with an Assyriologist, in addition to doing grad work there mostly in West Semitic languages and literatures. My Ph.D. is in Hebrew Bible.


Do you think it would be okay for me to inquire about Sumerian shell rings, yet?

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Wow what a clever clogs you are! I barely speak English and don't know what Assyriology is ^^



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Lately I've been doing some research on Sumerian and Babylonian history and how they relate to the history of the Levant, the near and middle east, and the Bible. I've been wanting to buy a Cuneiform tablet but they are expensive so that's going to have to wait a while.
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Sorry, but I'm just noticing now that it has already been sold.



Ah. As so often, a little too late. I would have loved to add a couple of those rings to my early Mesopotamian section, so if you ever see them come up again, gives us a shout, please. And thanks for mentioning them in the first place. I normally don't think of Vcoins that way.
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gives us a shout, please.
Yep will do.
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I've been wanting to buy a Cuneiform tablet but they are expensive so that's going to have to wait a while.


Ron, depending on your definition of "expensive", you may be interested to know that there is a Cuneiform tablet listed in the latest Pegasi Numismatics auction catalog. Opening bid is $295 and BIN is $400.
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb

"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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