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Is This 1801 Silver Draped Bust Fake?

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 Posted 07/24/2017  10:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dlangs56 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I say fake. The stars don't look right to me.
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 Posted 07/24/2017  10:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aussie1984 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is the back of coin

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 Posted 07/24/2017  11:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You would normally expect that this type if found in the wild, to be fake. How did you acquire it?
Provable provenance is essential with a coin like this, not just heresay.

Unfortunately, I can't pick it from pictures alone, I don't have the die variety knowledge of these to express a valued opinion in this regard.
"Stars don't look right to me" - I don't have this sort of knowledge with this series.

Since this coin could have great value, I would have it XRF tested and accurately weighed.

Getting it graded would help. So would the slabbing, for protection. Keep all documentation for this - that would help support provenance.
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 Posted 07/24/2017  11:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MikeF to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The stars on the obverse are WAY off and Liberty's face looks like she underwent some plastic surgery. Fake and an easy one to spot out.
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 Posted 07/25/2017  12:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aussie1984 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I bought from an auction.
It is not magnetic
Weighs 26.66 (mine may be out a bit)
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 Posted 07/25/2017  02:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A fake, for certain, but perhaps one intended as a collector's restrike rather than a cheap mass-market fake.
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 Posted 07/25/2017  02:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Beefer518 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In comparing your coin (obv only, as rev photo is too small) to those shown on PCGS, yours doesn't match up in my opinion. Weight is good (26.66 vs 27.00), but that's about it.

As already stated, the stars don't look right. To me, they look 'modern', and too perfect. Liberty's face also looks off to me, especially the crease that runs from her nose and down past the lips. In her hair, the topmost left curl, just below the 'B' is too long. I think the bottom left star (4:30ish) is too close to her bust. The hair ribbon tail seems to point to the wrong area compared to those on PCGS. Hair detail and actually the hair style/design doesn't look right either. Lowest hair curl is lacking detail. I could go on the longer I look & compare.

But the biggest thing to me is the edge. It just looks too good. I have no clue what you paid for it, but it looks like a $10k (US) coin.

I would really like to see a better reverse picture.
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 Posted 07/25/2017  06:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add g048406 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
COUNTERFEIT......The font used on "Liberty" is not even close to what was used on real bust dollars.
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I agree - not genuine.

Here for comparison my genuine (but cleaned) 1801:



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 Posted 07/25/2017  08:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thq to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The stars, dentils, toning and roundness make me suspicious that it is a fake. Overall it looks too perfect.
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 Posted 07/25/2017  08:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aussie1984 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thankyou for all opinions greatly appreciated
I bought this for just over $200 I thought... well I'm willing to lose $200 if counterfeit as still very nice coin and if it were real it's not a real waste of money, just took a chance I suppose.
I will upload more close up pics that I took with magnifier to show you how detailed this coin is.


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The alignment of the letters in LIBERTY is way off in this counterfeit.
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