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Toning is a bit weird and similar to a Chinese counterfeit. I vote fake cause I think this was a very low mintage year of these guys.
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Oddly enough, the 1895 O looks like it may be real to me, but the 1893 O is probably fake. Do they stick to a magnet?
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Dave700x Is there an easy way to tell? Other than the odd applied patina I mean.  |
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Check the thickness. Many of the fakes are a little thicker to make the weight correct. They look like most of the Chinese counterfeits I have come across. If Dave700x said they are fakes, more than likely they are.
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The typical mushy details and cartoonish date digits are a dead give-away.
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Scroll down on this thread to compare the edges with yours: http://goccf.com/t/119357And here is a way I like to use to use to ID fakes - compare straight lines drawn across the face and what they intersect along their lengths.   |
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I don't understand the lines drawn above. They are not identical between coins.
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Exactly.
Choose just one line - such as the most vertical one. And let's use the 1895-O (bottom) set of pics.
Look at the top of it on both coins. This line is parallel to the backbone of the letter B in PLURIBUS.
If both coins were legit, then the bottom end of this line on both should intersect on the right side of the 9 (as it does on the real coin). However, the fake coin's line intersects the right side of the 8 - one entire letter to the left.
Although our eyes do not pick up these differences in the designs, the straight lines help us determine if the the designs are positioned correctly on the coin in question. In this case, they do not.
Do this with each line I drew.
Also note on the 1893-O that the fake coin did pretty well on the horizontal lines intersecting the designs on both sides (and along) the lines. However, the two more vertical lines show deviation. The REAL one starting at the you in PLURIBUS downward intersect the right edge of the star at the bottom. Whereas this line on the fake 1893-O misses the star entirely.
But the real telltale line on that one is the line extending down from the B. The real one intersects the B and left side of the 8 in the date, where the fake one goes from the B to the right side of the 9.
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nss52 is correct   According to what I see these examples are quite similar to spot locations of details and individual shapes as well. Trying to learn here, where's the big differences? I do see the date font differences...maybe  Edited by Crazyb0
07/26/2017 10:39 pm
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Sorry, I should have been better at explaining. I also changed my technique form the 1893 to the 1895. My fault totally - have a lot I am trying to get done and this was a diversion from what I was doing for a change of pace. 1893-O  I made the lines on what I eventually labeled as fake. These lines were copy/pasted onto the real coin's image. Line 1: Parallel to the M's left leg - crosses over and hits the star at about the same place on both - however - it was also at this point by looking closely at the stars I noted how the fake one is larger, and more "mushy" looking. Line 2: This one was drawn through the two upper dots and is pretty much identical. Line 3: Parallel to the left side of the U. The other end on the fake one does not touch the star (close) on the other side whereas the one on the real coin does. Line 4: Parallel to the B's spine in PLURIBUS. On the real coin the other ends hits the left side of the 8 in 1893. On the fake coin the line hits the right side of the 9 in 1893. As can be seen on my former post I made reference to, this was typical of my fake 1879 I deliberately bought as a fake directly form the Chinese Big Tree factory. Looking carefully at the details in circles I drew on these line will show the differences I see which made it clear tome the coins were fake. 1895-O  Line 1: This line is parallel to the left side of the M. In the fake coin it crosses over and intersects the bottom of the letter E, whereas on the real coin this line is much lower on the bottom of the star below the E. This immediately made me suspect. Line 2: I copy/pasted this line from the (later labeled) fake coin onto the real coin. As can be seen, the dots are totally misaligned on the one on the left b/c on the real coin, the right dot is totally missed by this line. Line 3: This line parallels the left side of the letter B. On the fake coin the other end is an entire device distance to the left where it hits the right side of the eight. On the real coin this line hits the right side of the nine. Sorry I was not more clear the last time. I am used to looking at this stuff and forgot to explain enough. |
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I follow your line identification, BUT, the coins are aligned differently. OP coin is CCW 10-12°. If you just copy/paste lines then vertical/horizontal planes shift. I'm basing this on using the tip of bust an bun on hair. Maybe I'm wrong, not on computer at moment to tell.
BTW, I do believe fake, I see mushy stars, that's what I've been recognizing the fakes by, plus the font of dates are different.
Edited by Crazyb0
07/27/2017 12:31 am
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I am not in my possession (and I will never think) but in an ebay auction so I can not use the magnet. Thanks to everyone for the help Special thanks to Earle42 for sharing your method |
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