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This 1859 Could Also Be Tp9?

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 Posted 08/01/2017  04:49 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add viper to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I do believe this 1859 is also a TP9 What do you guys think?
Any comments would be appreciated!

Thanks


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 Posted 08/01/2017  05:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fourmack to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Excellent photo's Viper
PC59-361 and I would have to agree with you
Cheers Don

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 Posted 08/01/2017  07:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Phil310 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree. You can see the triple punching on your enlargement of the 9. An early die state like your example probably shows it the best.

Nice photography, as always!
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 Posted 08/01/2017  07:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DEVLEC to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great photos and definitely the PC-361 as previously stated.
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 Posted 08/01/2017  08:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add viper to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks everyone!

Here is another one that you can see on the left hand side of the ball the doubling!


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 Posted 08/01/2017  3:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Since the 9's were handpunched into dies with just "185" on them, there are multitudes of overpunches varying from minute to well-offset. Since it took 2-4 punches, with hours, days or weeks between the hammer smacks, no one could strike exactly the same spot 2, 3, 4 times in a row. Before each hammer/punch blow, the die was annealed (softened) and the punch hardened. After one strike, the same sequence took place and not immediately .. they had lots and lots of dies to get done So anneal/strike/harden was repeated over and over. I think that your first '59 shown is neater for the "1" repunch, rather than the 9. I think that the 9 is much much easier to find.
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Thanks okiecoiner! Your comments are always greatly appreciated

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For what it's worth, this was going to be TP9-3 in my book...it is distinctly a Tripled 9, even if the one of the triplings is only partial.

The Haxby 37 is one of those coins that have fallen through the cracks. Occasionally someone calls it a DP9 Variation (ICCS) but it's never been given much appreciation from collectors.

I think you're absolutely correct Viper.

There is a 4th TP9 as well...and I'm quite certain Viper you already have it in your collection.

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 Posted 08/02/2017  10:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DEVLEC to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I do have a few of the PC59-361's..

One example here has the bead at the bottom of the obv bust and I have another 361 without the bead showing.

I don't see the RP in 1 on mine but that might need a change of lighting to pick it up. The RP in the 8 and 5 do show well.

What else should we be looking for ?

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