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Valued Member
Germany
157 Posts |
Hey everyone, how do you feel about the condition of this coin? For me it is a completly new field and I am not sure if I should hold it or sent it back. The price was 355 Euro and it should have the condition extra fine. Greetings form Germany Alex      |
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Valued Member
United States
309 Posts |
This ducat is from the island province of West Freiesland. It looks acceptable as a type coin with great detail but perhaps some flan irregularities. I would keep it so long as all the usual checks for gold content and weight are within tolerances. It is a decent example.
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Valued Member
 Germany
157 Posts |
Thank you for the answer! What are ''flan irregularities''. Do you mean that somebody dit bend the coin? The weight is 3,455g and it has the folowing catalugue numbers (which I dont have) : Delmont 836 and Friedberg 294.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Why are you buying €350 coins if you have no idea what you're looking at?!!
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Valued Member
United States
309 Posts |
Yes, slight bends and waves in the coin. These are thin and gold such that they can be slightly bent and straightened leaving a slightly uneven surface. Some have tooth marks from merchants who made sure the coin was not a brittle counterfeit but genuine pliable gold.
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Bedrock of the Community
Canada
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I have never graded a coin of this type before, and it is made of gold, so I guess this will be double-hard to grade. Oh well, I shall try anyways.  There does look to be some wear on the person—particularly on their pants and boots. But even though gold wears quickly, there does not appear to be too much wear, and it looks like there is a lot of lustre. So, with that considered, I would think this grades higher than EF-40, but probably lower than AU-55. I would be leaning towards the higher side of that scale, so I guess I will go with AU-53. I really like this example.  As for the waviness of this coin: I do not think it will cause this coin to get a Details grade. It does not look that severe, and I personally do not find it distracting at all. |
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Valued Member
Netherlands
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It is indeed a ducat from West-Friesland (which wasn't actually a province, it was part of the province of Holland). I think it's in a very decent condition for coins of this type, the slight bend is pretty common in gold ducats of the 17th century. It has some slight wear, but a very good strike; many of those ducats have a (sometimes much) weaker strike. The price you paid is very reasonable in my opinion, I don't think you'll find similar examples for less.
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Valued Member
Germany
157 Posts |
@realeswatcher Because of it seems to be a good buy. In general I collect 20 Mark pieces, but I am always looking for other interesting goldcoins as well. For me coins are an access to history. Dutchman paid exotic wares in foreign contries with this type of ducat! In 18th centuarys russians made this type as well. Because of it was much more popular than their own ducats :-). @Pistareen You seem to be right. In a german coin platform somebody wrote as well, that bending was a proof for authenticity. @Joseph7420 Thats interesting. I usualy have problems to estimate the condition of silver coins (from german kaiserreich). But you are right: Old coins like this are much more difficult, because of you cant be sure: Do I have a bad strike or circulation that took material from the high points? @qxy Thank you very much for this very solid answer! You seem to be right about the strike. PCGS tried to grade some similar coins and some of them realy look awful. And all of the are, more or less, bendet. https://www.PCGS.com/pop/valueview.aspx?s=570922https://www.PCGS.com/pop/valueview.aspx?s=159781https://www.PCGS.com/pop/valueview.aspx?s=593334https://www.PCGS.com/pop/valueview.aspx?s=146195https://www.PCGS.com/pop/valueview.aspx?s=679055 |
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Valued Member
Netherlands
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You're welcome.
The coins you're linking to are by the way all from Gelderland. To repeat: yours is not from Gelderland, but from West-Friesland. Although the coins are the same type, you can't always compare coins from different mints. Some mints produced at times much better coins than others; you could for example see that for a certain coin type one mint has very nice, sharply struck coins, while another mint producing the same type in the same year produced very sloppy coins.
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Valued Member
Germany
157 Posts |
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Valued Member
Netherlands
74 Posts |
I wouldn't know how it would be graded by PCGS/NGC. Very few Dutch provincial coins are graded (most Dutch collectors collect them 'raw'), and in my experience the grading for those kind of coins is not very consistent. Having a coin like this graded probably would just cost you money, but won't increase the resale value.
(I always take mine out of the slab, when I happen to buy a slabbed provincial coin)
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Valued Member
Germany
157 Posts |
Thats why I said ''would''. I've never sent a coin to a grading company and I will probably never do. Expect I start collecting high condition american dollar. Because of thats the circle of competence from PCGS and NGC.
I bought the coin as ''vorzüglich'' thats extra fine in english. Do you think that it hast this condition? And do you own a Friedberg or a Delmont? I would like to know the catalogue values of very finde and extra fine. The dealer says that it hast the number 294 / 836. Thank you very much!
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Valued Member
Netherlands
74 Posts |
It's hard to just judge the quality from a photo, but vorzüglich seems ok to me.
Delmonte (not Delmont) doesn't have prices, Friedberg has USD 225 for VF and 375 for EF for any of the type (i.e. it has one price for all years). Another price source is Catalogus Nederlandse Munten, which gives a price for an EF of this year of 700 euro (and VF 350), but that's way too high. As I said before, the price you paid is a fair one, and no catalogue will give you a more reliable answer. There are just not that many auctioned every year to get a very reliable price measure.
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Valued Member
Germany
157 Posts |
Thank you very much. You've convinced me! The coin will get a place of honor in my collection :-). Are you informed about zecchinos from venice as well?
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Valued Member
Netherlands
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No, only about Dutch coinage.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
36905 Posts |
Very nice piece and by US standards would most likely be in the AU-55 to AU-58 range. Very minor wear on the armor and elbow.
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