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As promised, here are a few examples that I hope people figure out what I'm trying to do. In the end, my goal was to get people thinking more about the provenance of their coins, so even if this particular contest ends up being a dumpster fire, hopefully my larger goal will still be met. First up is a Judean Prutah given to me by my grandfather in 1987. I should get 2 points for knowing one person who owned it before me and four additional points for knowing that this coin was in his possession as late as the 1980s. To @MC's point, if I knew when my grandfather had purchased this coin, then perhaps I could add in additional decades. 2 + 4 = 6 points.   Next is a Polish 3 Groschen that I bought off of some dude with the seller name "krzysztof-pl" from ebay in 2001. 2 + 2 = 4 points.   Finally, here is a Tetradrachm from the Parthian Confederate of Elymis that I bought in Agora Auction, but had provenance back to a CNG Auction and, before that, the J.P. Righetti Collection. I bought this coin last year, but the CNG Auction was in 2016. In a quick search, I can't find any information about Mr. Righetti, other than there are a ton of coins with provenance to him. This coin is worth 6 + 1 = 7 points.  
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz
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I have two slabbed coins with collection names noted on them, but I have no idea who had them right before I got them.
1) "MacCormack collection" (Roman denarius) 2) [Jeff H] "Browning" (US 1868 $10)
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Here is my entry:   I have many coins and tokens from my wife's grandfather, but these are the only ones for which the date of first possession can be identified (for obvious reasons). He was an engineer for General Dynamics for over 25 years and a member of the coin club, so he received all of these in person on the dates written on the tokens (all 1960s). After he died (around 2001), his collection then passed to his wife. A few years later, she moved in with my wife's parents and the collection passed into their possession (or when she died a few years later, either way). Unfortunately, they probably hocked most anything with value and left the rest to rot  . What was left came into my possession in 2016 from them to try and save what I could. Technically, that means three known owners before me. As to decades, either 2000s (last date he owned them) or 1960s (when he got them). So, I calculate either 8 or 12 points, respectively.
In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020 In Memory of Tootallious 3-31-1964 to 4-15-2020 In Memory of T-BOP 10-12-1949 to 1-19-2024
Edited by spru 04/21/2018 10:08 pm
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Quote: Edit: I have emailed Warren about the name D Henry on the card. There has to be a reason why this is there and now I am kinda curious. Warren got back to me and apparently D Henry is a man name Don Henry. This is the person Warren got the coin from in 1977. Here is a quote from his reply to my inquiry. Quote: D. Henry was Don Henry who was a private person who got the coin, I think, during WWII. He apparently had little interest in the coins he got then and sold some the ones I wanted me in 1977. So since I can now trace it back to it's last 2 previous owners does that now make mine a 5 point coin? Thanks...Mont.
Edited by MontCollector 04/21/2018 10:30 pm
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Just came across this thread and a bit confused, so what is the next coin, The wooden ones? 
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Quote: Do tokens count? Quote: would banknotes count? For the record... Always! 
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Quote:Just came across this thread and a bit confused, so what is the next coin, The wooden ones?  The current challenge can be found here: http://goccf.com/t/294596&whichpage=108#2696870The wooden tokens are just my entry for Spence's challenge.
In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020 In Memory of Tootallious 3-31-1964 to 4-15-2020 In Memory of T-BOP 10-12-1949 to 1-19-2024
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These are the coins that I have the most specific provenance for:  My grandfather acquired these three coins from circulation in Ras Tanura, Saudi Arabia in 1954. He served in the Navy for the last few months of the Korean War aboard the USS Cotten DD-669, and finished his tour of duty on a world cruise, eager to return to marry his fiance, my grandmother. He used some of his pay to buy keepsakes, including coins and banknotes from each port they visited. He added them to his childhood coin collection when he returned home, and he gifted the entire collection (save for a few sentimental pieces) to me in 2003 or thereabouts. He is thankfully still alive and in good health, he has been working on and off on a short write-up on his banknote collection from the war, including any stories he can recall.
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Quote: Just came across this thread and a bit confused, so what is the next coin, The wooden ones? The rules have evolved somewhat over time. If you read back a few pages instead of starting at the beginning of the thread then it will probably make more sense. Basically someone post a coin and creates a challenge with a point system (finite or infinite) based on certain characteristics of the coin. Members post a coin (or other item of appropriate) to score points. After three days, the member with the best score is declared the winner and they post a coin for the next challenge.
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We have heard from a few folks who are mulling over which coin/token/banknote to post, but in the meantime, here is the leader board, at least with my calculations. Please check my work and let me know if you disagree. I'm particularly happy that @MC has now gotten more details about the pedigree of his/her coin.
1. Spence 4 + 1 = 5 points 2. Crazy 4 + 6 = 10 points 3. MC 4 + 5 = 9 points 4. BD251 4 + 9 = 13 points 5. Spruett 6 + 6 = 12 points 6. Finn 2 + 7 = 9 points
I'll plan to wrap things up on Monday evening or Tuesday morning, so there is still plenty of time to participate!
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz
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I was going to sit this one out, but I realized that this one might work. Please note that I wouldn't have made this purchase myself, but my parents bought it for me as a present when I was ten, before I asked them not to buy me coins (they're not numismatists, and I didn't want them to get ripped off). I'll leave it up to Spence to decide whether my entire provenance counts or if I can only go back to the 1990s, but I figure it's worth a shot. This 1783 Mo 8R was in the possession of the colonial government in Mexico on January 11th, 1784 (almost certainly since 1783, but I can't prove that), when it was in the cargo of El Cazador as the ship embarked for New Orleans from Veracruz. After its discovery in 1993, the coins from the wreck, including this one, were held in storage by the salvage company until being purchased by the Franklin Mint, from which my parents bought the piece and gave it to me as a present in 2010.    For the number of previous owners, that's 3 or 4, depending on whether the Spanish crown is included for the period between minting and discovery. For the number of decades, it's 24 for 1784-2018, or 3 for 1993-2018. The number of points could therefore be between a minimum of 6 and a maximum of 28.
Edited by Numisma 04/22/2018 5:45 pm
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Alrighty, I finally have some pictures.  This Canadian 25 cent note from 1923 is really the only object whose ownership I can date to a specific decade:   Ever since my grandfather met my grandmother, he carried one of these notes in his wallet. One day, he and his family went fishing, and the boat tipped. My grandfather did not know how to swim, so he had more things to worry about than the wallet that fell out of his pocket. Knowing the approximate age of my father in that story, that incident most likely took place in the 1970s. One of my aunts bought the above note from an unnamed dealer within the same decade, and gifted it to my grandfather in the same decade. My grandfather kept that note with him until his death in 2008; from that point, my grandmother had it until she gave it to me a few years ago (sometime in the 2010s). So... I know three owners before me, starting in the 1970s. All were family members, but that is still the most people I know of. 
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This round has invited some nice personal stories! 
In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020 In Memory of Tootallious 3-31-1964 to 4-15-2020 In Memory of T-BOP 10-12-1949 to 1-19-2024
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@Spence. I'm not too proud to admit that prior to this challenge I had no idea what provenance was. I see how it can add a really interesting layer to a particular coin's pedigree and I suppose value as well. Thanks for opening my eyes to an aspect of collecting I had never even considered before.
Check out my counterstamped Lincoln Cent collection: http://goccf.com/t/303507
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Quote: This round has invited some nice personal stories! Quote: I see how it can add a really interesting layer to a particular coin's pedigree and I suppose value as well. Glad you guys liked it. Like I said at the onset, this subject has been on my mind lately. Thanks to @Joseph7420 and @numisma for the final two entries. Just a clarification for @numisma, my thought is that when your coin was sitting at the bottom of the ocean entombed in timbers from El Cazador, it really wasn't in anyone's possession. For sure the coin can be definitively attributed to that shipwreck, but I'm kinda hesitant to say that there was a "chain of continuous ownership". Rather it was just hanging out waiting to be found and claimed by someone. I hope that this an ok interpretation of my rules. Here is the final tally: 1. Spence 4 + 1 = 5 points 2. Crazy 4 + 6 = 10 points 3. MC 4 + 5 = 9 points 4. BD251 4 + 9 = 13 points 5. Spruett 6 + 6 = 12 points 6. Finn 2 + 7 = 9 points 7. numisma 6 + 3 = 9 points 8. Joseph 6 + 5 = 11 points The winner is @BD251 with a coin bracelet with provenance going back to the 1930s. Well done everyone and congrats to @BD251!
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz
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