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Is This 1931 D Penny Cleaned?

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Does this penny look cleaned to you? If not what grade would you give it? Thank you very much
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 Posted 08/26/2017  5:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Redifin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I personally don't think so because the reverse looks just fine. Maybe a little abrasion on the obverse-PMD. I would say XF-40.
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 Posted 08/26/2017  7:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
VF-35, details, cleaned. The splotchy brown and copper mix indicates a dip cleaning that was not properly washed after the dip, resulting in that partial retoning.
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Oh that's a bummer but I had a feeling it was cleaned
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Just my opinion, but It does not look cleaned to me . EF-40.
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I'm with Moxking here. VF35 given the wear on the beard and cheek. Do they have a Brillo pad grade? Looks like the obverse was scoured.
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, like that "Brillo pad grade", needs to be AS for "abrasive scrubbing on a sliding scale of 1-5

AS-5: Wire Brushed with floor stripper
AS-4: Steel Wool, with Liquid Plumber
AS-3: Steel Wool, Brillo pads, etc.
AS-2: Sponge-backed scouring pads w/ Comet Cleanser
AS-1: Hard Bristle Nylon Brush w/TurtleWax

This coin would fall into a combined grade of AS-2.5
Obverse=AS-3
Reverse= AS-2

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I'm not too upset there were four more in the box:) that look a lot better than that one. This one below is probably the best out of all of them what you grade it? If you need better pictures let me know
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Abrasions in the obverse fields, EF coin, should be fully brown on both sides - cleaned and retoned.
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Now, the full brown one is a beauty! Does it have cartwheel luster under the brown? Appears to be at least AU.
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I'm not really sure BadThad on the obverse it just looks deep chocolate brown to me but on the reverse I can see hints of luster. The owner prior to me graded it AU55 and I think that's fair. This ones a favorite of mine
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So, this is what the obverse looks like when one corrects the color:

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Does that change anyone's opinion? The reverse is rather closer, but would still have less red-brown saturation when the cardboard flip is correctly adjusted to its' actual hue. There's a takeaway about coin photography here....
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SsuperDdave that color looks a lot better however when in hand it really does have that gold color.
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I really love this website because it has really helped me diagnose coins a lot better. I have to agree with the consensus it has harsh hairline scratches all over and then was dipped to give it the gold tone.
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SsuperDdave that color looks a lot better however when in hand it really does have that gold color.


It will, as long as you look at it under a light which casts that color upon it. The human eye doesn't do "color correction." The eye feeds you what it sees.

Go to a local big-box home improvement store, and look in the light bulb aisle. Chances are there'll be a display of the varying color temperatures of the bulbs they sell, individual lights illuminating the same printed scene. It'll be an education on the effect of color temperature on the human eye if you haven't seen it before.

As humans, we've decided (likely genetically) that "normal" color is that as seen under midday sunlight. Cameras can correct to this ideal; the eye cannot. So when you correct to that 5000-5500 Kelvin "ideal," the color may not look right to you because you don't look at your coins in-hand that way. You probably look at them under incandescent lighting, which will always add a yellowish cast to the coin.

And that's the takeaway about coin photography. The color of a coin you see represented on the monitor may not be the "real" color of the coin, and even if it is you might not see it that way. And the next observer with a differently-calibrated monitor might not see the same color you do anyway.

This must be a major factor in your evaluation of online images.
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