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Can Anyone Confirm Or Deny This Is A Real Spanish 10 Escudos?

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 Posted 09/02/2017  04:19 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add roguesim to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Can anyone help me confirm the identity of this coin?

I think it's one of these:
https://www.NGCcoin.com/price-guide...duid-1516969

The obverse is so banged up I'm not 100% sure.

According to the link, it should weigh 8 grams. This weighs 7 grams, but has a large chip and other damage that might account for the missing gram.

The original coin has the text "LAS ESPANAS" on the reverse, while mine is missing the space, so "LASESPANAS"

Does it look genuine or is it likely a reproduction?

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 Posted 09/02/2017  06:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oriole to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is supposed to be gold. I have never seen gold wear like this. Unless it was tested and I could see it in hand, I would not believe it was gold, which puts it into the fake category. The mangled other side does not appear to match Krause K636, from what I can see.
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 Posted 09/02/2017  10:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add otto to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe it's a contemporary counterfeit.
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 Posted 09/02/2017  1:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add roguesim to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you both. I'm going to ask a jeweler to test it, although I suspect you're right and it's not genuine.
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 Posted 09/02/2017  6:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PatAR to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The color and mushy form of the design and lettering on reverse identify this as a contemporary counterfeit. It is brass and, many years ago, had a coating of gold to support the illusion of a 10 escudos coin just long enough to pass it at face value.

The mangled obverse is undoubtedly post production damage.

Always nice to see an Isabel II on the forum.

Thanks for posting it!
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 Posted 09/02/2017  8:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add otto to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
PatAR, what value do you think this coin would have if it were in good condition? I would think it would be very desirable to a certain type of collector.
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 Posted 09/02/2017  9:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PatAR to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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PatAR, what value do you think this coin would have if it were in good condition?


As historically interesting as they are, they are not uncommon. I picked up a couple of them in my travels to aid my study of the era of Isabel II. The current market is in the range of $1 to $5 in F to EF.

There are also more valuable contemporary counterfeits of her reign, such as some of the platinum counterfeits. Those generally have much better engraving which more closely matches authentic pieces and were made of platinum with gold coating. Such pieces, if attractive, can bring as much or more than authentic pieces.

Conversely, less desirable pieces include the many modern forgeries and reproductions of these which have no value whatsoever.

Hope this helps.
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 Posted 09/02/2017  11:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add roguesim to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting stuff! Thank you for confirming what I suspected.

I still think it's a really cool piece, even as a fake.
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 Posted 09/03/2017  3:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add otto to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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As historically interesting as they are, they are not uncommon.


I want to be clear about terminology. I take "contempory counterfeit" to mean a coin that was meant to be passed off as legit back when this was legal currency; then there are numismatic forgeries, which I can understand are regarded as junk.

I am amazed that there are so many of the former type out there in great condition. It seems counter-intuitive. Thanks for responding.
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There are indeed so many never plated base-metal iterations - from varying dies - of these Isabel gold pieces... We've discussed this briefly before, but I still think it makes the most sense that these were gaming counters (like the "spade guineas"), as they are typically described/attributed.

This does not include the plated platinum types, as noted above... which clearly WERE intended as CCs.
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 Posted 09/03/2017  6:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PatAR to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
realeswatcher, thank you for pointing this out.

Whether some of these are contemporary counterfeits later worn as jewelry or jetons later plated and passed as money is admittedly undecided. I agree that some may have been jetons or tokens that never served as contemporary counterfeits. As noted in one of my previous posts on the subject, definitive evidence of their full history would be most welcomed. Like Coronado before me, my exposure to them has been in the realm of counterfeits.
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