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This one arrived this week. First glance made me think "cleaned," but what I perceived to be evidence of polishing was actually die polish lines (they all go under the devices, none over, plus they are raised) and a semi-PL surface. Someone on another forum mentioned halos around the devices, so I looked. I saw some semblance of halos, but they looked lustrous. On a whim, I pulled out my semi-PL Morgan, and I saw the same halo around the devices. My guess is that there is extra pressure on the die near the edges of the devices as it is a point of changed metal flow, so die wears (and thus cartwheel coin luster is produced) here first. The Two Cent is semi-Pl and just covered in die polishing lines, just like my semi-PL Morgan.   |
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Tough call.
I think(?) I see luster break on the knot of the bow on the reverse.
That would make it an AU-58.
Otherwise it'll be MS-65 if the surfaces are original.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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MS-64RD, I don't see anything that says "cleaned". If it were cleaned, the toned rim edge would be as bright as the rest of the coin. Very nice original full red 2c.
Edited by IndianGoldEagle
09/02/2017 09:51 am
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IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Phew. Really well struck coin, I think the term "hammered" might be appropriate here.  I wonder if the die had been polished in an attempt to ameliorate the effect of that big radial crack on the reverse. I found another example of the same at Heritage: https://coins.ha.com/itm/two-cent-p...ption-071515In addition, the PCGS CoinFacts major plate coin for RB - the brightly-colored 66RB - has it. Your coin is a much later die state than either, and with enough pressure to obtain strikes like yours I can't see the die having lasted much longer. I think the reverse coloration would limit it to RB instead of Red. For me, the combination of minor factors present limits my opinion to MS63, although I wouldn't pass out pitchforks if a TPG called it 64. Quite the coin.  |
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Bedrock of the Community
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64RB. That's true "new copper" color for the period - very nice example.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Beauty of a 'two center' I'll say MS-64RD
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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63RD, late die state from dies that have been extensively reworked and polished up to remove cracks and clashing. That reverse die crack at K3 is a beauty.
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Pillar of the Community
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So I showed it to Bill Fivaz. His in-hand opinion was original, GORGEOUS, and MS-65 RD.
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Awesome resource you were able to tap into Typecoin. Hard to argue with that assessment...congrats!
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United States
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PCGS grading gods have deemed this coin worthless. They were not able to determine that the "hairlines" were actually die polish. When I get some more opinions, I will probably resubmit to NGC as they seem to have a better idea of what they are doing.
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11/18/2017 5:00 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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Wow, another one? I was actually considering purchasing a PCGS membership. I have 7 coins that need to be graded.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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That's ridiculous. I see nothing on this coin that indicates cleaning of any type.
Again, you need to call and demand a complimentary regrade, or just send it to NGC or ANACS.
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Man, PCGS has really been of this week, even more than usual  |
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I'm going to reiterate a point I made in the 1881-S thread - not all visible cleaning is mechanical. I'm not saying PCGS is right - they're not exactly my favorite people - but there are some pretty splotchy areas of differing color on this coin which could have put them in CYA Mode and caused a no-grade.
It's what happens when you're driven by "stockholder value" and liability more than product quality.
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