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number 1 a bit rough 1837 1/2d Bank of Montreal   Cheers Don
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Thanks Dorado but I always check there first -----I am waiting for Doug to chime in as there maybe something else as I don't have the books. Anyway here is another one Number 2 1857 1/2d Upper Bank (coinage) (Heaton mint)   Cheers Don
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Number 3 1852 1/2d Upper Bank (medal) NOTE embossing and die crack on B of Bank   Cheers Don
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Edited by fourmack
09/03/2017 4:37 pm
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Doug any chance of looking at these ----Thanks
Cheers Don
Vickies cents and GB Farthings nut.
"Old" is a figure of speech and nothing more
Edited by fourmack
09/27/2017 3:11 pm
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can't comment on variety, but #3 looks like a lamination issue rather than a die crack.
others may be too far worn for much variety identification.
Edited by Wade
09/28/2017 10:23 pm
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I'll take a guess on #3.
Dr. Courteau describes his group 3 (Varieties #101-110) of 1852 halfpenny's as "straight reverses and defective letters A" Your token has defective feet on the A's of CANADA.
# 104 obverse has "several suction-marks below horse's r. fore-leg, especially a small line across dragon's tongue"
# 104 reverse has "Die cracks to B and between N and rosette. In some cases the latter is lacking"
The description for #104 sounds like the one you have Don. It's listed in Dr. Courteau's book as R-8.
Doug would know for sure if he get's a chance to check it out.
I've been wanting to ask Doug what Dr. Courteau means by the term "suction mark" Is that his term for a die clash?
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Could be that Doug is very busy seeing as certain areas in the US were wacked very badly....wishing him good luck !!
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Could be that Doug is very busy seeing as certain areas in the US were wacked very badly....wishing him good luck !! DEVLEC --yes I hope all our friends are ok Phil310 Thank you ooooooooooo a goody Cheers Don
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Sorry about the delayed response, but it has been a rather interesting last three weeks or so. I spent several days preparing for Irma. Irma made landfall ten miles south of my residence with sustained winds of 140 MPH. I rode-out the storm in my double-wide mobile home which many said was a stupid thing to do. After Irma blew away by car-port and shed I observed the wind bowing my sliding glass doors. I was concerned about the sliding door breaking and allowing the wind to enter the home and exit by blowing off my roof. Fortunately I did not evacuate, thus I was able to brace my 250 pounds against the glass door which added enough resistance to prevent the door from failing. The primary structure remained intact. Neighbours who evacuated were not so fortunate...
I had a back-up generator. Water was restored in three days. Electric took two weeks, but the darn internet service was not restored until two days ago. Our area was hit hard.
Concerning Token #1...
This is identified as Breton 522; and by Charlton as either LC-8D1 or D2; etal.
Dr. Courteau expanded this series by identifying ten sub-varieties. Considering the lower grade of this ensample, coupled with the environmental damage(corrosion), positive attribution can not be ascertained by the photos alone. To wit: Courteau is concerned with the section of the stem below the upper shamrock (betwixt the upper and two lower shamrocks); The stem is either complete or broken. Yours appears broken, but from the photos, this could also be attributed to corrosion rather than absent. From the photo,I am not convinced one way or the other. Examine the token and make a determination and I will proceed from that information.
doug
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10/06/2017 2:04 pm
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Wow that's a dramatic few weeks for sure Doug it must have been very scary I'm very happy things worked out for you
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Doug I am glad that you are ok ---(I would have filled my pants several times over had I had been in your shoes) I will post an enlarged photo later
Cheers Don
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Concerning token # 2, the 1857 ONE HALF PENNY.
This is a Breton 720; also identified by Charlton as LC-5D.
Again, Dr. Courteau greatly expanded upon this series by identifying some 48 different sub-varieties. Dr. Courteau initially separates this series into two primary groupings dependent upon whether or not both obverse Rosettes contain a central dot. Varieties 159-189 inclusive are Group I's, which do not have inner dots. Varieties 190-207 inclusive are Group II's, which shew inner dots. Your ensample is of the Group II listing.
Again, the token in question is of a damaged lower grade ensample.
The next diagnostic concerns the terminal Anchor Rope Dots (to the left of the lower end of the Battle Axe Handle, slightly above the left Cornucopia). Of this grouping we find either One Dot and a small line; 2 small Dots; 2 Dots of medium size; 2 large Dots; 2 and a half Dots; or 3 Dots pointing downward.
This appears to be one of the two (either 206 or 207) varieties shewing 3 downward pointing Dots. Both varieties exhibit a small right-side to the Serif to the right Upright of the N in BANK in addition to having the numeral 7 away from and a trifle higher than the numeral 5. The difference betwixt varieties 206 and 207 is that variety 206 shews a perfect left foot to the Man, whereas variety 207 shews no left foot. Yours is variety 207 (rarity factor of 2).
doug
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Concerning token #3...
Breton 720, Charlton PC-5B1 (Medal die-axis) or PC-5B2 (Coinage die-axis). You already identified this a being the Medal die-axis.
Again, Dr. Courteau greatly expanded upon this series. Courteau's Group I's are identified as having 'upset reverses,' which was his vernacular for what we now identify as coinage-die axis. This grouping included varieties 76-88 inclusive. Courteau's Group II's are identified as having 'straight reverses,' which was his vernacular for what we now identify as medal die-axis. This grouping also shew perfect letters in the Obverse legend. Group II's include varieties 89-100 inclusive. Courteau's Group III's are identified as having 'straight reverses and defective letters A' (in the Obverse legend). Group III's include varieties 101 to 110 inclusive. Yours is of the Group III listing. Of this grouping, yours is variety 104 having a rarity value of 8 (a tough one).
doug
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Concerning Irma...
Fear is negative believing which manifests itself with dire consequences. Yes, I was genuinely concerned, not about my safety, but about the result of what my inactions would have been. We do our best and God will do the rest. Inaction is not doing our best. Never associate Fear with Concern. One can be concerned about a situation without being fearful of the situation.
doug
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Cheers Don
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