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Half Sovereign 1888 - Fake?

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 Posted 09/04/2017  6:38 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add lateko to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers

Half-Sovereign-1888---Fake?
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 Posted 09/04/2017  8:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oriole to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Please give us the weight, thickness and diameter.
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Check it accurately for weight and comparative ring tone.
Gold is soft. If you are hesitant to risk rim damage to the coin, have a dealer do it for you.

Diameter should be exactly the same as a British, or British Commonwealth country sixpence.

A detailed comparative visual inspection against a known genuine example may also prove helpful. This is where a dealer can also come in, to help you with his experience.

Obverse rim denticles look a bit inconsistent.
Obverse color looks a bit 'off', but that could be due to the lighting conditions.
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weight, thickness and diameter are like original 1/2 sovereign.
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I am just going to throw this out there as an idea. Is it possible that this has been mounted in a ring with the portrait side outwards, leaving the reverse in a good state of preservation but with a bezel possibly squashing the denticals a bit on the obverse distorting them. This might also leave a mis-matched colour where one side has been exposed and the other hasn't?
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colour of both sides are the same, I make photos on my phone
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I don't think they made an 1888 shield back 1/2 sovereign?
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I don't think they made an 1888 shield back 1/2 sovereign?


From what I can see, there were no 1888 half sovereigns
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There is no listing for a 1888 half-sovereign in the Spink 2017 catalogue.
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Anaximander (Hi!) is quite correct, no 1888.
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just been referring to:

Coincraft's 1998
Standard Catalogue of English and U,K.Coins
1066 to Date:

(716 pages)-( same size as a Krause catalog):
Page 465, listing VJHS-310, under Jubilee Head:
footnote 2:

"Possibly all forgeries"

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After this referral, my opinion is that this 'coin' is in good quality gold, and could well be in 22ct gold.
Accurately check for weight, because a 20ct gold 'coin' would be very close to correct weight.
XRF testing will prove to add extra knowledge.
If it were mine, I would have XRF done anyway, just for curiousity.

This piece very much a keeper, for self educational purposes.
Would still be quite valuable, just for the gold.

This 'coin' made privately for trade in the Middle East, for payment in gold.
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Possibly a gold plated sixpence, could be a contemporary piece, weight only would give I away.
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Could be an altered date; the last two 8's look quite suspect to me, especially compared with the first 8.

Note the same design of crown on the head of Victoria as the same. That is the Imperial Crown.



Not a gold plated sixpence: the gartered shield for Victorian sixpences is a one year type for 1887, with the Imperial crown and so is of a different design. All other genuine Victorian Sixpences have crown over value, within wreath.
It is small wonder why the 1887 shield design after issue, was very tempting to gold plate, and why it is only a one year type.

Nevertheless,
The coin in question has a narrow garnished shield with a St Edwards crown, not the Imperial crown.
All Jubilee head Half Sovereigns should have the wide garnished shield with the Imperial Crown.

That is most probably the reason why the Coincraft Catalogue footnotes thus: "Possibly all forgeries", (as noted earlier in this thread).


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09/14/2017 09:57 am
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The Coin may well be worth submitting to The Royal Mint in Llanstrisant, Wales U.K., because if proved genuine, would literally be be 'gold mine' for the owner, and maybe yield enough cash at a London auction to provide the price for a house.

Melbourne pattern proof Half Sovereigns were made for 1888, but they are excessively rare.

(ref. Renniks Australian Coin & Banknote Values, 24 ed., publ. 2011).


Definitely worth the patience and time to investigate further, but think about those wonky '88's. Check those with a respected dealer in Sweden first. Would be worth the effort to get a hard copy of this thread, to help your story, when talking to the dealer.
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 Posted 11/14/2017  12:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Carrigna to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Lateko,

Have you found out whether your gold coin is genuine or not?

I would like to know what you have investigated since this post was up.

Awaiting your results with much interest!!
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