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1854 O Lib Seated Half Grading Opinions?

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Love the original patina of this one. Could probably do better, but hard to find them all original like this one

What do you grade it at?

Thank you for all the help
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I'd say 30 or perhaps 35 if the strike is considered.

I love the circulation cameo. I'd think about looking for a half step up to a strong LIBERTY.
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Looks like a nice solid VF-35
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xf40. reverse better than obverse.
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VF35, and a pretty serious rim anomaly on the reverse. It's not a railroad rim, is it?
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35 here and nice circulated cameo if you're into that.
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Than coin has great eye appeal in my opinion!VF35
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Xf40 nice eye apeal problem free
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VF-30 is my grade on this coin. I don't know the coin looks off to me. It looks like it was cleaned or something. It just seems meh imo.
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VF-35.
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All in, VF-30. Just couldn't grade that obverse any higher.
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Reverse carries it to VF35
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An incomplete "Liberty" grading VF-35? Even 30 is a gift.
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An incomplete "Liberty" grading VF-35? Even 30 is a gift.


Yes - in my opinion - when only one of the six talons has lost its' divisions, the reverse shield has barely started wearing, the center wing feathers are barely touched, all of the leg feathers are still defined and the arrow fletches haven't lost any detail.

When two faces of the coin disagree, it's time to start thinking about how one face was able to "wear" so much faster than the other. The answer is, "It didn't." Something else is afoot here besides/in addition to circulation.

The more experienced I get, the more I feel that "grade to the lowest face" is just a form of intellectual laziness. That is not meant to be a personal attack, just an expression of the belief that grading probably ought to be far more complex than it is, and this coin is a good example.
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XF-40 with great color!
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