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1983lmc- Is This A Cud On The Reverse?

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 Posted 05/06/2008  7:33 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add chuckster 125 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Is this a Cud on the Reverse below the E in Cents or is this more of the ZINC-OXIDE Gas Bubbles destruction etc .

Opinions, comments are welcomed.


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 Posted 05/06/2008  8:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Becky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a Cud to me.
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 Posted 05/07/2008  12:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chuckster 125 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice call Becky!

Mr. Diamond - President of Coneca has confirmed that this is a Cud proper.


A small Cud, but nonetheless, its a Cud, and not the dreaded *ZINC ZINDROME*. (LOL)



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 Posted 05/07/2008  09:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hunter20ga to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Cud it is.

And that's an interesting word. There's no numismatic-related definition in either of my big dictionaries, and neither is there anything in my dictionary of word roots and combining forms. Wonder where it came from, and when.
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Hi,

Here is a link to the definition of the word Cud:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cud

It is thought by some that the die break at the edge reminds one of a portion of Cud that has been spit out by a ruminant. It leaves a "blob" on the ground.

I am not saying that this is 100% the derivation of the word but it has been offered as an explanation by others and I tend to agree with the concept.

Thanks,
Bill
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 Posted 05/07/2008  5:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mungobaggins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The bad news is that 1983 Cuds are very common, the good news is that 1983 reverse Cuds are very scarce. Great find!

-Jason
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Nice find Chuckster,

I'm interested to see the top of the obverse. Can you get a picture of the " IN GOD WE TRUST"? This is the area of the obverse that would be effected by the Cud, the details are sometimes weaker where the Cud is. I am just curious to see if that is the case on your coin.
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 Posted 05/07/2008  9:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chuckster 125 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks to all that responded!

NGiles:

Here are some pic's of the obverse etc plus an extra pic of the full reverse again.

Hope these are helpful for you.


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 Posted 05/08/2008  01:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NGiles to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the pics Chuckster.

I don't see any loss of detail on your obverse. Thanks for feeding my curiosity. I had noticed one of the other Lincolns with a Cud posted here had some detail lost. Your Cud is a bit smaller than that one though, so maybe it needs to be a certain size before it happens.
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Bill,

Thanks for the wikipedia. I was getting ready for dinner as you posted it.

It should also be said that ruminants can not pass gas between the chambers of their stomach. Any gas that does make it in can be fatal to the animal, causing an internal explosion and subsequent death by internal bleeding. Many bloated cows have to be "popped" to prevent their death. Belching is their natural way of expelling this gas. It is not certain whether the Cud is regurgitated for further mastication, or if it is merely a byproduct of gas expulsion. Anyway, to link this all back to the relevance of coins, a problem with a large Cud indicates the eminent explosion for either the Coin Die, or the Cow.

This thought is probably way off the wall, but what do you expect at midnight from someone with an Animal Science background. I think I ought to go to bed. Until next time, have fun thinking about exploding cows.
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I was under the impression that Cud stood for "Coin Under Developed", but I don't know where the info came from.
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I found my first Cud the other day. They are harder to find than varieties for me. But it is a small one with a couple of die cracks next to it. The die is probably soon to be retired.
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 Posted 05/08/2008  11:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chuckster 125 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Coop:

Nice Cud!

Questions:

What year is the coin?

and am I seeing things again or is that slight doubling over the ES OF A on the coin?
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 Posted 05/09/2008  3:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add foundinrolls to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hey Ngiles,

check out https://www.birdscomefirst.com you might get a kick out of my other life:-) as a parrot expert.

Have Fun,
Bill
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Chuck: It is a 1989 plain. The ES is faily common. seems like grease affect these areas on a regular basis. that is why the letters look shorter in some areas. The upper letters looks like a little movement. Nothing of an extra value, just a Cud. My first find after hundreds of rolls. Just found it on Monday.
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 Posted 05/09/2008  9:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NGiles to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bill,

I have always enjoyed birds also, their intelligence fascinates me. The only problem is, I have a hard time working with animals that are smarter than me. Any animal that can hold a grudge against humans for five years, like your George, has to be a smart one. I like the big dumb animals, especially the ones that have been dead and buried for thousands of years. I have taken several animal science classes as part of my Geoarchaeology degree, it's always better to know what your digging up, whether it be animal or human remains.

It's good to know that my animal anatomy humor was appreciated by someone, plus I believe it had some relevance to coin dies. If a Cud is to large, something is going to explode.
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