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1909 S VDB Cent Back From PCGS

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Well, if people remember my previous post from a couple months ago, I bought the coin on ebay for $250 in an old PCI slab. Pictures were crappy, and I was taking a gamble buying the coin, and I got lucky
http://goccf.com/t/290852&SearchTerms=VDB

I sent it into PCGS since my local coin shop only charges $20/coin (sent it in with an 1877 IH - ill make another topic about that).
I couldn't see what they were seeing at first for 'environmental damage' and neither did the coin dealer I brought it to. MAYBE light cleaning, but I was hoping it would drop the details grade.
THAT DIDNT HAPPEN :( BUT! I got VF details instead of the original F-12 Env Damage in the PCI slab.


Here is a picture of the slab returned.
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I was really hoping to get a clean grade on it, but such is life. I may sell it, and buy another slabbed coin that isn't a problem grade. In due time!
I am happy to have the coin in my collection, even with the problems!
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On ebay for 250$ ? Them bidders who get the prices of most everything way over their value must have been asleep.
Congrats on the PCGS slab!!
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 Posted 09/29/2017  4:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Congrats. No way that was going to get a clean grade, though, and where they came up with VF is beyond me.
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I agree Coinfrog, I am not sure where they got the VF details from either.... Since I even felt F was generous. However, if they can make that assumption of VF, maybe there was a chance for a clean grade.
That VF sure looks a lot better than a F though ;)
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That VF sure looks a lot better than a F though ;)
I agree.
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Definitely one to sell so you can get a nice non-detail example with some of that money. Any kind of VF on that is a gift.
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With a big red bow.
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No one thinks this is VF? I remember we have a thread on the Main Coin Forum about the worst coins on ebay where people once posted an incorrect TPG slab for an even bigger premium. It may be worth a try.

Nevertheless, congrats on getting a VF on this one. I may be getting blind, but I see why, as it's better than F. It'd call it a weak VF, or VF- or F+ with the benefit of the doubt, whatever you like best.
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You would grade a Lincoln with a completely flat jaw and incomplete wheat lines as VF? This is VG by the book.
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This is indeed a better result than could be expected.

Good news is PCGS authentic ... I'm not convinced about the VF opinion ... but in fact a 'details' coin is exactly that.
Take a look at my other hobby ... http://www.jk-dk.art
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Food for thought: How might a coin become so flattened on the obverse while retaining what look like full wheat stalk lines on the reverse?
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Great news!

To be nice I will refrain, this time, from remarks about TPGs.

How much squash could a Sasquatch squash if a Sasquatch would squash squash?
Download and read: Grading the graders
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Food for thought: How might a coin become so flattened on the obverse while retaining what look like full wheat stalk lines on the reverse?


Is this a hypothetical question? Or do you know the answer?
I have always wondered the same thing. You would think a circulated coin would have the same wear throughout the coin.

I have seen that in many instances where 1 side looks many times better than the others
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Is this a hypothetical question?


Not hypothetical. He's politely telling people they need to start grading a coin by the whole coin and not just pick one point and focus on that. A reverse that strong with flatness on the obverse leads to different conclusions than micro-focus grading

Edit: to add that part of grading is to consider how or why and learning how to consider that. It isn't just a blind process of saying this is missing in this one point so it can only be maxed out at x.
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