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Besides which in the pixed coin I now noticed the "bolt is home" Wouldn't have made a bit of difference if finger was yanking the trigger, it had already fired. This isn't a semiautomatic weapon, 1903 Springfield .30cal M1A1 (or 2..?) In this particular case, yes it wouldn't have made a difference. However, anyone who knows how to properly handle firearms knows that you never put your trigger on the finger until you're ready to shoot. Humans make mistakes like thinking a gun was loaded when it wasn't, thinking they didn't load the next cartridge when they did, etc. How many times have you heard the "I didn't think it was loaded" excuse after someone accidentally shoots another? None of those mistakes matter when you don't put your finger on the trigger because the gun can't fire accidentally unless the trigger is pulled. My father lost a friend in Vietnam because another soldier thought a gun was on safe when it wasn't. It wouldn't have mattered if the guy didn't put his finger on the trigger. Those higher up in the army decided not to tell the family how the young man died because it was so avoidable. Unfortunately, they ended up reading about it in a magazine. Obviously this is something that I'm very passionate about, but I don't like seeing people injured or killed because others are too lazy to follow basic procedures. If you want people to emulate proper behavior, you have to demonstrate it. It's simply piss poor that nobody along the line pointed this out. The overall obverse design is poor anyway, so perhaps constructive criticism isn't something they practice. Edited by Bret
12/19/2017 09:28 am
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I'd be a buyer for that. I would not hesitate myself.  |
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I do not like the design of the coin. I might buy a medal or two because I like a few of them a lot. I guess I will be stuck with a few of these coins...
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I'm not impressed with the design myself, but a GI negotiating obstacles in No Man's Land during an attack on entrenched German positions is hardly the time or place to consider 'gun safety' as a paramount concern, nor is that an obligation of the coinage.
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a GI negotiating obstacles in No Man's Land during an attack on entrenched German positions is hardly the time or place to consider 'gun safety' as a paramount concern, nor is that an obligation of the coinage. A fair statement.  |
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That's not what's depicted unless he's shooting at a low flying aircraft. If he was taking a shot at an enemy soldier, then I'd certainly agree with you. Soldiers certainly must practice firearms safety in combat situations. Not doing so endangers those who are not intended to be targets. Please read the example I wrote about above. And, yes, it is obligation of those who handle and/or depict handling firearms to demonstrate basic firearm safety.
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Well Bret I guess by your logic the military shouldn't use aircraft, submarines, naval ships, bombs, grenades, or even actually ever fight because someone has died that way. You are completely wrong and there is no other way to say it. You can think that the military should treat their weapons like it's a leisurely weekend at the shooting range but you're just wrong. The only place you are going to see that type of weapon handling by the military or the police is on movies and tv. It's war, being fought by people whose entire job is to get shot at and hunted by other humans and shoot back and hunt them. This isn't a leisurely weekend self defense course or firearm safety class at the shooting range it is war. Sorry that your dad lost his friend that way, but if the military ever followed what you wish they did thousands more would be dead from being caught off guard.
There isn't a person on earth who is going to handle a weapon any differently because of this coin, and there is absolutely no reason to nerf military themed images on coins
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Coin news article has pricing for all versions. |
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I'm sorry BadDog but I couldn't find any pricing on that linked page. I like the US Navy medal and will probably chase that one. EDIT: Sorry, page dropped down past the prices ... I see them now.  Edited by TNG
12/20/2017 8:53 pm
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After seeing all the designs, I don't think I'll be getting any of them. Wish they had simply done a single coin honoring all who served in a respectful and classy way. Too many medals and a coin with each at $100 per pair or $50 or so dollars for an (my opinion only) unattractive coin. Too rich for me.
"Nummi rari mira sunt, si sumptus ferre potes." - Christophorus filius Scotiae
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Guess none of the gracious observers noticed the depiction of the soldier was posthumous, did ya brainiacs? He is wrapped up in the barbed wire DEAD, it is an Honorarium piece for those fallen in Battle, so what is the big hoopla over finger in the trigger well, on patrol that's exactly where my finger would be, direction of muzzle is prime. You have an estimated 1.6 seconds to respond in an ambush or you are dead, that's the exact time of normal human response, you better take any advantage you have. Sorry Bret, don't think you've been there, some of us have.
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12/20/2017 9:32 pm
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Well Bret I guess by your logic the military shouldn't use aircraft, submarines, naval ships, bombs, grenades, or even actually ever fight because someone has died that way. Nope. That's not at all what I said. The fact that you're attempting to warp what wrote is proof that you're justification of unsafe gun handling is not defensible. All of the military equipment you mention have safeties and those operating them certainly do go around with the fingers on the launch buttons. Quote:
You are completely wrong and there is no other way to say it. You can think that the military should treat their weapons like it's a leisurely weekend at the shooting range but you're just wrong. The only place you are going to see that type of weapon handling by the military or the police is on movies and tv. It's war, being fought by people whose entire job is to get shot at and hunted by other humans and shoot back and hunt them. This isn't a leisurely weekend self defense course or firearm safety class at the shooting range it is war. Sorry that your dad lost his friend that way, but if the military ever followed what you wish they did thousands more would be dead from being caught off guard. What you've written is complete ignorance. The amount of time that it takes to move a finger being held next to a trigger while not touching it and bend it to touch the trigger is far less than is necessary to aim a firearm at a newly discovered target. Therefore, keeping a finger off the trigger while carrying a gun costs nothing as it's not in the critical time path. Keeping a finger on a trigger while carrying can cost lives. Well trained soldiers simply don't attempt to save time by keeping their fingers on their triggers. Quote:
on patrol that's exactly where my finger would be, direction of muzzle is prime. You have an estimated 1.6 seconds to respond in an ambush or you are dead, that's the exact time of normal human response, you better take any advantage you have. Sorry Bret, don't think you've been there, some of us have. So you're telling me that the military trained you to keep you're finger on the trigger with the gun off safe in order to respond faster? If so, that's in direct contradiction to what retired soldiers have told me. In fact the former military I know are the most disciplined about firearms safety of all the people that I know. They don't tolerate anyone being lax about it. BTW, if you can't get your finger on to a trigger within a third of a second, then you need to be retained. Again, finding and aiming at that target within 1.6 seconds is going to be far more of an issue than bending a finger half an inch. Heck, the Israeli military and police universally carry their handguns without a cartridge in the chamber for an extra margin of safety yet they are generally considered to be some of the fastest shooting soldiers in the world. The bottom line is that carrying a gun with a finger on the trigger gains one absolutely nothing but the possibility of an accidental discharge. |
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This topic, which has always been about how the "World War I Centennial Silver Dollar fails to demonstrate basic gun safety" and not about the medals in general, is done.  If you want to discuss the medals, you need to be doing it here... http://goccf.com/t/298236 |
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