1830 Capped Bust Half Dollar [in Hand Pics]

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numismatic student Bedrock of the Community United States 11882 Posts	Posted 10/12/2017 8:38 pm Earlier I posted sellers pics with hairlines... Then it came and no hairlines. To boot it has red and blue toning and is dripping with luster. Thoughts on new pics? Thanks! IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com Edited by numismatic student 10/12/2017 10:06 pm Report this Post to the Staff

Coinfrog Bedrock of the Community United States 94367 Posts	Posted 10/12/2017 8:42 pm Sorry, what are you asking here? Report this Post to the Staff
Mark1959 Pillar of the Community 7234 Posts	Posted 10/12/2017 8:52 pm I remember that....... the seller should have you take the pictures! Coin in hand is really nice compared to what you first posted. Report this Post to the Staff
numismatic student Bedrock of the Community United States 11882 Posts	Posted 10/12/2017 9:03 pm Quote: Sorry, what are you asking here? Any changes in you thoughts about the grade? Thanks to all! IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com Edited by numismatic student 10/12/2017 9:05 pm Report this Post to the Staff
BH1964 Bedrock of the Community United States 10982 Posts	Posted 10/12/2017 9:41 pm It looks like it could straight grade in these images. Camera angles and lighting can do amazing things in both ways. My guess would be the coin was dipped decades ago and has started a pretty re-toning process. Based on the latest images I would say AU53. Oh and the price seems much more reasonable as well. ANA #R3154474 Report this Post to the Staff
numismatic student Bedrock of the Community United States 11882 Posts	Posted 10/12/2017 10:04 pm Weird. I examined the coin carefully with a 5x and 7x loupe. Found no evidence of any of the hairlines in the seller's pictures. Thanks for the input. As a follow-up, I have seen quite a few au55s and au58s. I see them with stars and talons worn flat. Where are you seeing the wear that places this coin at au53? Appreciate your continued help. IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com Report this Post to the Staff
BH1964 Bedrock of the Community United States 10982 Posts	Posted 10/13/2017 07:19 am 53 was based on rubs on the bust and tip of cap coupled with a (likely) dip and partial re-toning. Could just as easily be a 55 too. ANA #R3154474 Report this Post to the Staff
numismatic student Bedrock of the Community United States 11882 Posts	Posted 10/13/2017 07:54 am Thanks! IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com Report this Post to the Staff
Zurie Pillar of the Community United States 5670 Posts	Posted 10/13/2017 08:48 am I'd say AU-55. Definitely some wear on the shield, hair, and cap. Great looking coin, and interesting that the hairlines or striations disappeared. Report this Post to the Staff
Imthealphaomega Pillar of the Community United States 3210 Posts	Posted 10/13/2017 09:32 am Au55 nice piece. Just goes to show you can get nicer coins than what the pics show on ebay or auction sites. Report this Post to the Staff
SsuperDdave Moderator United States 23522 Posts	Posted 10/13/2017 10:53 am Take it out into sunlight. If that's the same coin, those hairlines are still there; you just haven't observed or lit it from the right angle. Sunlight is brutal, and will not receive you. I'm on lunch, posting from my phone, and can't see enough detail to be sure it's the same coin. Report this Post to the Staff
numismatic student Bedrock of the Community United States 11882 Posts	Posted 10/13/2017 12:11 pm Thanks guys. Having trouble capturing the in hand luster of this coin. I also took some photos of the surface at angles. The photos in the original post that don't look round are like that because I was trying to capture the surface at an angle to see the hairlines. I looked at the coin with a 5x, 7x and 10x loupe and under different lighting conditions to see if the hairlines were there. Nothing. Quote: Take it out into sunlight. Dave, it is a very overcast here today and there is little direct sunlight. I will do sunlight when it returns. In the meantime, I took the coin out of the 2x2 so that I could photograph it directly. This is under bright incandescent light with no flash: Then since I don't have reasonable sunlight at the moment, I took a couple of shots forcing the flash to go off which counter-intuitively made the coin look darker. It shows the surface differently. Thoughts appreciated and thanks again folks! IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com Edited by numismatic student 10/13/2017 12:25 pm Report this Post to the Staff
BH1964 Bedrock of the Community United States 10982 Posts	Posted 10/13/2017 9:16 pm Looks more like a dip and wipe rather than a harsh cleaning to me. It's likely going to be 50/50 at a TPG for problem-free but that's a lot better than it originally looked. ANA #R3154474 Report this Post to the Staff
BarberMan2016 Valued Member United States 288 Posts	Posted 10/13/2017 9:54 pm Would the TPGs deduct points for a dip and wipe if they do straight grade? Report this Post to the Staff
Joseph7420 Bedrock of the Community Canada 11922 Posts	Posted 10/13/2017 10:37 pm AU-55, and I like it. Report this Post to the Staff
numismatic student Bedrock of the Community United States 11882 Posts	Posted 10/16/2017 10:11 pm My air-tight holder was 32mm, designed for later halves, and did not fit the 33.5mm earlier bust halves. I ordered some of Albanese's 2x2 intercept shield holders which were cheaper than the air-tights - just $1.33 a piece for 3 including shipping. What a bargain! I had not used them before but they seem really nice. I like that they do not roll away and tuck away nicely in 2x2 boxes. Today was the first sunny day but didn't have the coin with me during the day. Maybe I will try to take a pic in sunlight tomorrow. IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com Report this Post to the Staff
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